Is it possible to create and develop the art market without kommodifikatsii art?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от U_Z

When the saints marching

\r\nI know- When the Saints Go Marching In .

[U_Z]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I know-When the Saints Go Marching In.\r\nJolly funeral march of black in New Orleans, baldeli that another of their brother otmuchilsya on this sinful earth, and went to heaven.

\r\n\r\nWell, Cyril , stop ! Do not be so ! Artists - timid men!

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Fed

that the prices of paintings in Ukraine established by the lantern-like luck, not many times but on the orders.

\r\n\r\nOni tak vezde ustanavlivaiutsia !

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A vot eschio odno vyskazyvanie ob art rynke:\r\n\r\nWas he taking the mick out of the art market? "No. You can take the piss out of art, but I don't think you can take the piss out of the art market. All markets are serious."\r\n\r\nPodshuchival li on nad art rynkom? "Net, Ty mozesh 'poshutit' v iskusstve, no ne dumaiu, chto ty ne mozesh 'shutit' s art rynkom. Vse rynki seriozny".\r\n\r\nPerevod ne takoi sochnyi, kak original, no smysl peredaiot.\r\n\r\nInterviiu s D.H.!

[Posav]

Few decent artists will want to play this game and be integrated into this chain of art-market. Look, for example, as here the so-called art dealer COP mocks the artist Paul. Imagine that every art dealer will impose their vision, world view, and content that an artist must paint. I read that Marat Gelman gives "hints" D. Vrubel what project and what they will do. I think that artists should include their works in galleries, art galleries exhibit the problem and sell the paintings. Well, if there is such an art market where people are looking for work for resale, that's their business, but a direct connection between them and the artists should not be. The world of the artist should be a separate and independent from the world of the collector or re-seller.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Posav

Na moi vzgliad slishkom emotsional'no.


Few decent - kto opredeliaet poriadochnost '? Obschechelovecheskie tsennosti ne predlagat ', ih ne suschestvuet.

 artists want to play this game and be integrated into this chain of art-market. - Bol'shinstvo hudoznikov v etoi tsepochke ili za bortom.


Look, for example, as here the so-called art dealer COP mocks the artist Paul. - Vopros neodnoznachnyi, ia prosto postavil Pavla v "ignor", vmeste s paroi-troikoi drugih uchastnikov, i zit 'stalo legche.



Imagine that every art dealer will impose their vision, world view, and content that an artist must paint. I read that Marat Gelman gives "hints" D. Vrubel what project and what they will do.

Sovmestnaia deiatel'nost 'galerista i hudoznika privodit k nailuchshim resul'tatam. Galereia znaet, chto v dannyi moment luchshe prodaiotsia, kakie est 'dopolnitel'nye vozmoznosti.


I think that artists should include their works in galleries, art galleries exhibit the problem and sell the paintings.
 A kakova ekonomika etih otnoshenii ?????



Well, if there is such an art market where people are looking for work for resale, that's their business, but a direct connection between them and the artists should not be.

Navernoe vy govorite o vtorichnom rynke. Da, namnogo spokoinee i uverennee rabotat 's nezivimi hudoznikami.


The world of the artist should be a separate and independent from the world of the collector or re-seller.

Eto budet vseobschei tragediei.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Sometimes I think I see some very much a British comedy sketch series with a group of "Monty Python". Some Monty Python's Flying Circus with Pavel in the main and the only role.

Cyril! You do not understand too much, unfortunately.

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от Pavel

Cyril! You do not understand too much, unfortunately.

\r\nPaul, just thinking about you! When you are away for some time on the forum - you do not have enough

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Vivien

Paul, just thinking about you! When you are away for some time on the forum - you do not have enough

Thanks, but too much politics and stupidity, bombast, gallerists, dealers. Bargain trade untroubled but who we have good trades? Who can raise the price? All because of trifles. But what assurance !!!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

Cyril! You do not understand too much, unfortunately.

\r\nOr fortunately!

[artcol]

Сообщение от Seriy

As to the "always written from life" let dissent. First, Vincent writes that he wrote from his head, but was dissatisfied with the result. Secondly, he rewrote his work, taking them from nature so far that they have this kind had been irrelevant. Thirdly, I look at the work and, as is the case with Picasso, I just feel it and say, sunflowers in vases Vincent has invented a vase out of your head! In other places he has real vase, but not here.
I think the figures of people, it is also conceived and dorisovannye to revitalize the landscape.
So I primknu to Cyril that Van Gogh impressionist and post-Impressionist, T e he was disappointed in the ability of nature to generate stories and did it for her, leaning, of course ...

Actually, not principle, "from nature" or "out of my head." Important tasks, to-e solved at the same time, their level. Everything else is training, training, warm up, or in a particularly neglected situations, aptly S. Kuriokhin, "false masturbation" (sorry, but the maestro quote verbatim).
Van Gogh set itself the task successfully (!) Decided it. The objectives set by all major hudozhnki, and scale, they solved problems and received recognition. And the example of Van Gogh - he was not only in this way, when a man deciding to become an artist, he knew what tasks he will decide, and really grew as an artist in the phenomenon.