Relationship and mutual obligations between the artist and gallery owners

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Listen, what has this municipality? How these side 72 days in 1871 relate to Van Gogh, for example?
In general, he then lived in the Netherlands.
Or you believe that Pere Tanguy, as a socialist and a Republican, saw the genius of the Impressionists? : D
Think that political bias may also affect the tastes in art?

Listen! I do not know what you are doing but if you isksstvom etodolzhny know. Art of the Impressionists to be elitist, but IDLI. made it democratic, but not in the sense that we impose, and direct it to be interesting as possible for many ordinary people, because there were few aristocrats, and he unscrewed the head successfully. The more interest the better, more buyers more bought and sold. Every elitist death iskusstvuEst aristocratic and democratic art. In the west all-democratic. We had also to tragedii1991goda.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

Any death elitist art.

Exactly: Art belongs to the people! (from): D

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Specifically: Art belongs to the people! (from): D

It rostet the price only if a lot of times bought and sold. The wider range of people buying and selling better.: Shy:: shy:: shy:

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

I do not know what you are doing but if you isksstvom etodolzhny know.

I'm still young, many do not know. I'm learning.
Here you admire, something new to learn: "aristocrats were few and they unscrewed the head successfully", "more customers more than bought and sold," "Volga flows into the Caspian Sea," "Horses eat oats and hay ... No, it's not you already, sorry. But also correct, yes?

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Pavel

read his letter at last.

From the memories of his son Lucien Pissarro K.: "Van Gogh returned to the river with a large canvas. It was divided into many parts, each of which was painted landscape or a genre scene. Such a canvas looked like a museum. Boats floating on the Seine, residential or empty house with invariable sign: "For sale", restaurants with multi-colored shutters, deserted parks and gardens ...".

Letter 526 to his brother: "At the moment I work with such zeal that can only be compared with gusto Marseilles, ate his fish soup. And you understand me, when you find out that I'm drawing giant sunflowers. I am working on three paintings at once. The the first three large flower on a light background, in a green vase. The second of three iodine too, with ripe seeds and fallen petals. And another bud: total, then, five flowers on a bright blue background. In the third twelve vzheltoy vase of flowers, the light on light. It would be better - so I at least hope so. And on this I probably will end. In anticipation of Gauguin and the hope that he settled here, and we will work together in our shared studio, I want to do more . If we can implement my plan, I will write a dozen kartin.Nastoyaschaya symphony of blue and yellow, I start to work with the sunrise, because flowers quickly fade.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

a socialist, and Republican Pere Tanguy.

Pere Tanguy.

Julien Tanguy (a well-known painting by Van Gogh's "Pere Tanguy") at the end of life was:

  6 paintings Gauguin

6 paintings by Cezanne

3 paintings Pissarro

2 Sisley paintings

2 of Van Gogh

1 Monet

1 Picture Sulfur

  He dealt with paints and canvases, made friends with were present at that time in obscurity for the Impressionists, and sometimes, they were paying for their useless paint then nobody works, and sometimes redeemed Tanguy painting, just to support friends.

  He was a very remarkable, simple and kind, that is clearly visible in the portrait. Once just was not shot Versailles.
Now, arithmetic, just for interest.
  Take the approximate prices of Impressionist paintings in the area in 1900:

  Sisley - 3000-4000 francs.

Van Gogh - 1000-2000 francs.

Cezanne - 6000-7000 francs.

Pissarro - up to 7000 francs

  Suppose the price of one picture - 5000 francs (very average, very nearly, but clearly not exaggerated).
  Prices of paintings by French researchers estimated (Maurice and Arlette Seryull "Encyclopedia of Impressionism") grew to the present time in 1500 again with all the monetary reform and inflation.
  So, Dad had a fortune of Tangi 160 000 000 francs. I will not look the exact course of the franc to the euro at the time of replacement, the amount in any case more than respectable. He's dead, old man, not realizing until the end, what people were friendly, and what future they have created. Including for the painter, plasterer, Communards and trader Tanguy. Touched great.

  And the last. In monetary terms the picture has become expensive.

But now Van Gogh doubted whether the increased understanding of the paintings from their monetary valuation?

And Renoir said simply: "Now hang on a wall not now, and value. Why not hang there share of the Suez Canal? » (c)

[NATA NOVA]

Cyril, you can ask, where information about prices and if you can clarify exactly a year.
Thank you.
Is why I ask ....
From the book "Everyday life ipressionistov" I remember this fact of life Sisley:
In his painting "The flooding in Marly, he received 180 francs.
After 2 years (after his death), the picture has already been resold for 42 000 francs.
I only remember that surprised ..
Maybe I confuse what is?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Cyril, you can ask, where information about prices and if you can clarify exactly a year.

The network found. There rasskladov about Tangi lot. Yes, and C. Perruchoud this is.
A year of what? Death Tangi?
Julien-François Tanguy (1825-1894).

Сообщение от Pavel

The more interesting the better, more buyers more bought and sold. Every elitist death iskusstvuEst aristocratic and democratic art. In the west all-democratic. We had also to tragedii1991goda.

About the "tragedy of 1991" will not.
For different people and different tragedy, for someone is the greatest tragedy in the history of Russia-the years of communist dictatorship and Stalin's bloody terror.
We will be on investment in the arts.
That's the idea with which I agree.

Сообщение от Admin

Yes, I regret to have to admit that the art market in our country are still not even in its infancy. This is a tiny niche for a handful of initiates. And the forecast period, when the mass consciousness is much to be understanding of its importance, it is not possible. 10-20 years, no less. To do this, the country must grow not only the cultural level in general, but the level of financial culture among others. And, perhaps, the second at this stage, even more significantly than the first.

[DSF]

In my opinion, the main thing in relations between curator and artist - is a culture. I am writing this word with a capital letter. Culture and personal relations, and financial. Without this, no cooperation would be neither long nor fruitful. Each will seek to short-term profits.
      Unfortunately, the Soviet system has fostered a special type of artist. On the one hand the artist used to receive from the state apartments, shops, jobs, money, honor and awards. For this he had to carry out the social order, distribution and fate of his works are not worried about the artist. On the other hand, to obtain these benefits, it was necessary to break through to a manger, because wealth was not enough. To do this, I had driven away the competition. I have found these gatherings the night before the next election meetings, which we called "the headquarters of October, and which were discussed in detail plans for the expulsion of their colleagues with grain beds. All election technology used today, is long been known for our artists. This is an ignorant generation that is accustomed to take unceremoniously, stifle capable deprived of Culture. As a result, when the state withdrew itself from the art, these artists looked back and saw: Oh, gallery! And they apply to this gallery, as to the state: we have your pictures, you give us all the benefits free. And competitors - to choke, out of habit. And if the gallery fails, then gallery owners - a dealer and a swindler. But the gallery - not the state, the scale of the problem and not the others. To understand this and build the right relationships - need culture. And it is not.
      Sometimes I am so sorry our gallery owners, with whom they have to deal ... It must have nerves of steel. And what are the different local bottling "Van Gog"? In Samara them only in my memory there were three pieces. And all - genius, and all - millions of serving.
The great misfortune of our culture - lack of culture, that's such a paradox. And while it would be so, all will be with us "through the back Kiriltsev.

Сообщение от Pavel

Every death iskusstvuEst aristocratic elitism and democratic art. In the west all-democratic.

      To which this "democratic art" we ascribe to the art of Michelangelo, Raphael, Botticelli, Fra Angelico? Perhaps Velasquez wrote for the simple Spanish workers? And Van Dyke - for English shepherds? Rubens just thought, as there shopkeepers would react to the painting "The Court of Paris"? Maybe Kandinsky "democratic"? A Picasso - direct popular artists: D Or are they all - "elite corpses"?

And the most important thing, above all, I forgot Where are we Paul is stuck with its prices in the 1.5 - 2 million? In the "democrats" it somehow with such figures do not fit ... Aristocrats we, sir, but ...

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Pavel

He had no sketches, he was an impressionist.

Paul! Your remarks about the fact that all the site to read more, have led to positive results. All intensively read. And you just write. And some rubbish. After all, if you state that in addition to the French Impressionists - no other good artists, you should at least know that among them were those who love open-air (Renoir, Monet), as well as those who did not recognize the plein-air (Manet, Degas) ...