How to unleash the artist

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Сообщение от Samvel

Occupation artist is fundamentally different from other professions, are completely different understanding about life and death.
... Why is there such artists as Filonov, Bakst, why not by producer as Paradjanov, or Tarkovsky, theatergoers as Stanislavsky, Meerhold, poets like Mandelstam and Brodsky. Wash Brodsky said .. \ Empire gave rise to culture and democracy paper. There were cultural people, but people of culture are no more.

I think you idealize the image of the artist. Misunderstood genius with a bow at the neck - a literary cliche - here - the underestimation of dealer work. Contemporary artist - in part, is also a pragmatic businessman, if he is voluntarily involved in a game, and this quality has no relation to the presence of talent or lack thereof. There are artists need dealers intentionally. Dealer, know nothing about art, greedy, do not care relating to the artist, thinking only of the super-profits - also a literary cliche. As artists, dealers may be different. Some people understand their work - so, while others - syak, some are more professional, the second - less. A good dealer - this, too, talent. The question is only to the artist and the dealer match.

Your outrage at the present lack of such variables as: M., Brodsky, Paradjanov, Tarkovsky (transfer sounds like conversion promoted brands, probably, so it is) is quite understandable, but it has at least one hundred and contexts. You ask a difficult question in anticipation of an easy answer.
There are no people on its effect on mass consciousness? The quality of talent? Or address the question of internal or external captivity? The question of political structure? Personal predilections? Generational change? Etc.
First, all the above - is the quintessence, defined after
time. Our time should be yesterday to identify their heroes, they exist.
If Tarkovsky, Paradjanov, Brodsky on your list, do not accidentally snatched the names, I note that even with Tarkovsky Paradzhanov can be put in one number only on the basis of availability and in addition, and another distinct identities of talent. By the force of impact on the development of cinematic language, they are not equivalent.
Today is Herman, Zvyagintsev (to the question of the impact of Tarkovsky), Konevsky, yes, indeed, a lot of names. Ioseliani, which in Soviet times did a wonderful movie, and while in the harsh clutches of capitalism, still manages to make masterpieces.
With regards to Brodsky, I have long believed that Pasternak Russian poetry and over, until the smart people are not stuck my nose in Nekrasov.
Ya Satunovsky, Sokovnin ... do you think their poetry is less poetry than in Brodsky's poetry? No, they just work in other language environments. Brodsky - a literary language, these - often with conversational speech. But this is no less talented, but with regards to the development of poetry in general, perhaps more significant.

I apologize for some categorical.

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Сообщение от sss

I think you idealize the image of the artist. Misunderstood genius with a bow at the neck - a literary cliche - here - the underestimation of dealer work. Contemporary artist - in part, is also a pragmatic businessman, if he is voluntarily involved in a game, and this quality has no relation to the presence of talent or lack thereof. There are artists need dealers intentionally. Dealer, know nothing about art, greedy, do not care relating to the artist, thinking only of the super-profits - also a literary cliche. As artists, dealers may be different. Some people understand their work - so, while others - syak, some are more professional, the second - less. A good dealer - this, too, talent. The question is only to the artist and the dealer match.

  I agree completely! The only think that this match is extremely rare - very different view of the world

[Самвел]

SSS-even Tarkovsky with Paradzhanov can be put in one number only on the basis of availability and in addition, and another distinct identities of talent. By the force of impact on the development of cinematic language, they are not equivalent. Here I'd like to, if you can uznat.chto you mean? I do not idializiruyu, and generally what I write I never leave a doubt, my written or spoken. I am well aware of the dealers' job, but today's dealers want to buy for 100ð, and sell for $ 1000. And this is pure fraud. I just have experience in dealing with dealers, and have not met one who has at least a little honest. And it occurred to me one idea, only that. \ Honest dealer-poor dealer \, or certificate, my honesty, my poor \-but this is not my words. We apologize to Eugene, he is probably not like. It may seem that I am a supporter of the USSR, then not at all, when the Soviet Union, my place is in the best case in an insane asylum, but who knows, maybe I'm acclimated. I have a family, and it can coerce a knock at the door to the enemy. As massovosti.to where you saw the queue at the movies upomyanatyh by producer. The mass is 9 rota Bondarchuk. I talked about the deep trenches, and you are talking about signs, I mean Herman and Zvyagintsev.

[iosif]

[QUOTE=Samvel;69846] \ honest dealer-poor dealer \, or certificate, my honesty, my poverty \

Poor dealer is unlikely to be able to help the poor to become a famous artist.
By the way, do not worry, if you bought for 100, the dealer will sell for 1000 (I boldly pushed !). For two reasons:
1. It is possible that by itself, without a dealer, an artist could sell only for 10. So often. Yes, even stopping at the same time of creation.
2. Dealer is doprashody on promo, and considerable. Stand at artmanezhe, for example, from 200 thousand rubles., Not including prints and work. And unknown artists are not expensive to sell. So long as they become known, will have to spend. But might not ever be: (Then, labor and money dealer - to the wind.

Hence the third reason can call (justifying the greedy miser-dealer: p): who ventured, and drinking champagne. The artist is not at risk - still the promoting of his name, not a dealer. For the artist, therefore, can not be a commercial failure.

And if very serious, smart dealer will never be greedy miser. As well as a clever artist (situation a mirror).

[sss]

Samvel, try to order:

About Tarkovsky and Paradzhanova I wanted to say only what he said, without any implications. I'll try another way: without Kuprina Russian literature can not be presented in full. But, whatever the Kuprin good, talented and beloved writer, Dostoevsky more significant, because it is their creativity identified in the literature of an entire era.
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The fact that today's dealers want to buy for 100ð, and sell for 1000 $ "- there is nothing wrong with that. We all want to buy cheap and sell expensive.

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dealer and philanthropist - different concepts.
You know, when the artist asked for a picture 1 rub., And the dealer gave him 1rub. And the next day to sell the painting for 10000000000000000000000000000 rub. - It honestly. In any case, no one no one cheated. Not fair - this is when the artist has agreed with the dealer, the dealer found a buyer, but the artist changed his mind. Samvel note, I - not the dealer. I'm just trying to talk sensibly. Experience of communicating with dealers I have plenty. Among them are cheap bazaar traders, but also among artists, not all geniuses.
Relationships artist-dealer - a commitment from both sides, on the basis of agreement. Schemes of work set by "blind" to "transparent" conditions - too. Perhaps you really did not meet "fair dealer", perhaps the very notion of "honesty" is interpreted by you as something special.
90%(author) 10%(dealer), provided that the dealer sells now for $ 1000.
10%(author) 90%(dealer), provided that the dealer sells the same picture for $ 10000.
How do you like the dealer? Honest, who gave you as much as 90%=$ 900
Or the one from whom you received only 10%= 1000 $
I knew a guy from Odessa, who in the late 80's well settled in Amsterdam - they took up the old man, in his time engaged in S. Dali. A couple of years the artist has earned millions of guilders, and decided to revise onerous (I think 30%to 70%) relationship with the dealer. The dealer is not liked. Creative affair ended in divorce. So after this, the artist has not sold any of its profitable operation. Galleries agree were having a relationship with his dealer, but not with him personally.
Naturally, I omit all sorts of nuances, but the essence is this.
Samvel, I think you are confusing the commodity-money relations with the categories of morality, sensuality, and so forth - hence the konfliktuete with themselves.
I know artists who do not communicate with any dealers or the galleries, it does not, do not sell (at least, nothing to fail to do so specifically), while still a good artist, not in need of compassion. The very notion of "artist" of all artists - misc. For some people - is the ability to draw, for others - a means of livelihood, for the third - a way to carry culture to the masses, for the fourth - a self-affirmation, for the fifth - membership in SC ..., for the one hundred thirty-fifth - way of life.
Honest and poor - are not identical concepts. Poor dealer - a phantasmagoria.
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Speaking about the degree of influence on the masses, of course, I was not referring to the mass of the proletariat. Not for them, by and large, everything is done.
If you think that Herman, I. Averbakh - "traces", then what kind of depth should be "the trenches"? And, Zvyagintsev just started, wait - we shall see.

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kstati, kak tol'ko art, kartina poiavliaetsia na rynke, ona stanovitsia tovarom. U vseh tovarno-deneznyh otnoshenii odna shema. Mozno iulit 'i nazyvat' po-raznomu, chto suti ne meniaet.

I agree with you, and in general it is high time to consider the market as the new reality of being, and not something on the other side thereof. It's not very nice, especially for artists, but it must be taken and then the market will not be as terrible as not afraid of bad weather. Interestingly, the art market in Australia is thriving, or just there?

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Сообщение от Vladimir

Why? As a "test Dali, the artist should be able to draw a horse? I'm here, for example, LinkBacks sincerely, if Hirst knows how to draw a horse. Although almost sure can. And not be able - to buy the carcass and deceiving marker I, for instance, recently tried to handle the statement write (by hand) - tortured, unlearned. That's not to say that I do not know how to write?

Hearst certainly knows how to draw, but the problem in another, far more complex - namely, to break out beyond the old skills, then get something new. This is the essence, and to spend time on something you no longer need hardly reasonable.

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Сообщение от iosif

This third reason can call (justifying the greedy miser-dealer): who ventured, and drinking champagne. The artist is not at risk - still the promoting of his name, not a dealer. For the artist, therefore, can not be a commercial failure.

If the dealer will be able to not consider the well-known artist (untwist) the star, it's brilliant dealer. But where he can see the great unknown? They are not known, they nowhere in the near field there. That and you have to untwist, that arm will fall. Do not you?

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Сообщение от Adamovich

I'm here, for example, recently tried to handle the statement write (by hand) - tortured, unlearned. That's not to say that I do not know how to write

strange comparison, application and write.

[Buscador]

And not be able - to buy the carcass and deceiving marker I, for instance, recently tried to handle the statement write (by hand) - tortured, unlearned. That's not to say that I do not know how to write?
And what did it mean? If you yourself have written that have forgotten how to ... This is just, and says that if you do not practice the skills, very soon if you can not unlearn, what is called "losing hand. Or vice versa, for example, if the move from life to the letter of photos, then go back to nature will be oh how difficult.

Сообщение от Adamovich

Do not you?

I do not think so. Here everything depends on what to call the great unknown ... And what kind of interest do everything that comes their way. It's like an actor removed all indiscriminately films, where invited. Here his talent (even if it is), it is impossible to demonstrate.

Сообщение от Adamovich

What kind of people's love, you say? The people in Russia, even the Internet does not, looks, at best, only a TV, and then show only untwisted. People may be, and I heard that there is a pier Museum - Tretyakov Gallery, on this and break off all his interests, if you can call it interest. Ah, yes, even he had heard, certainly, of Shilov. That's all. There is not a people's love of art, because art is also "a lot" of knowledge, etc.

I think. All the same, that people are much more talented than you think of him .. Yes, and heaps of knowledge is not measured ...

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Сообщение от Buscador

I think. All the same, that people are much more talented than you think of him .. Yes, and heaps of knowledge is not measured ...

  The people of something we have talent, there is no dispute. Only the good of it no, because for all his talent live very badly.