Relationship and mutual obligations between the artist and gallery owners - Страница 3 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.10.2009, 14:48

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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov

and the gallery is not a pawnshop!

But I always thought that the galleries are on the difference of the selling price and the price of the author.
This is not so?

Buscador · 28.10.2009, 14:49

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Well, the picture gallery does not sell?

Paintings, of course, sells. But as a result of the artist, not as an end in itself. After all, you can sell practically everything. It is important for the gallery name and the future.
And with net sales no future ...

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.10.2009, 14:57

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Сообщение от Buscador

And with net sales no future ...

I now do not understand.
Sorry.
And the future of the family on an empty stomach is the kind of future? Light or later?
And that is-

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But it is as a result of the artist, not as an end in itself.

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Сообщение от Buscador

It is important for the gallery name and the future.

Why? What is important for the gallery name and the future "?

AlexanderG · 28.10.2009, 15:00

Paintings, of course, sells. But as a result of the artist, not as an end in itself.

Absoliutnaia chepuha! Tsel 'liubogo bisnesa, vkliuchaia galerei, poluchenie pribyli. Vsio ostal'noe - lapsha.

Rabota s hudoznikom vygodna galeree, esli ona raskrutit hudoznika i povysit tseny na prodazu ego /ee kartin, to galereia budet poluchat 'bol'she deneg.

Odin iz vidov rabot galerei - pouching (vorovstvo /peremanivanie) raskruchennyh hudoznikov is drugih galerei, ostavliaiia poslednih nis chem.

Podumaite: vsio, chto galereia sdelala dlia hudoznika - ostaiotsia s nim navsegda, a esli hudoznik reshit peremetnut'sia, to galereia ne imeet nichego!

After all, you can sell practically everything.

Sovershenno verno, no kto-to vybiraet prodazu kartin. Raznitsy net nikakoi.

It is important for the gallery name and the future.

Eto vazno dlia liubogo biznesa.

And with net sales no future ...

Tol'ko s prodazami est 'buduiuschee, i chem bol'she prodaz, tem svetrlee buduschee.

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Kstati, ochen 'nemnogie hudozniki mogut sebe pozvolit' naniat 'professional'nogo menedzera /raskrutchika.
Ia s bol'shim by udovol'stviem zanimalsia by tol'ko etim, no bednye hudozniki .....

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.10.2009, 15:03

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Сообщение от Buscador

And also with exhibition activities, presentations, selling its own collection and even something ...

And what is the purpose of this "exhibition activities"? "Presentations" clear-lure "fat" as they say in the Ukraine, the client on indoor exhibition, in the subculture. And the purpose of this to me too clear. It seems to me that one. Earn money. Or is that not so?
Sowing a reasonable, good, eternal "?
But then why Galleries avoid working-class suburbs, villages, mining npgt?
Or you exactly where gallery, and it is for residents of nearby areas you deliver presentations, exercises exhibition activities?

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Absoliutnaia chepuha! Tsel 'liubogo bisnesa, vkliuchaia galerei, poluchenie pribyli. Vsio ostal'noe - lapsha.

Golden words!
As I said long ago in 91-m by one wise Yugoslav Army colonel: "All the economy! Love even ends on the 10th day and begin buying curtains."
Buy! Again, the money, the economy again.
I agree with AlexanderG, all this pathos about the gallery Ponty, etc. is tezhe case, only in profile. The essence of all-money!

Buscador · 28.10.2009, 15:09

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

But why? What is important for the gallery name and the future "?

Well this is an elementary ... If the gallery has a good image among the artists and businessmen, the first place try to get to where they bought a second.: Rolleyes: A second go at this program knowing that they may see and purchase works of certain authors. What they do not "thrust chippie" will help with advice ... And in general, they will spend time in an atmosphere of intense spirituality and hospitality ...

AlexanderG · 28.10.2009, 15:16

A second run of this program knowing that only there they can see and purchase works of certain authors. What they do not "thrust chippie" will help with advice ... And in general, they will spend time in an atmosphere of intense spirituality and hospitality ...

Eschio odno zabluzdenie. Pokupateli ob etom ne dumaiut.

Buscador · 28.10.2009, 15:29

AlexanderG, As for "absolute nonsense", then I still would have refrained from such a categorical and coarse speech, addressed to a complete stranger to you man ... (softly say this).
You are obviously not listened to me read, or understand, I am writing. Sales, of course, important. Otherwise, the artists have been exhibited in such galleries. I was talking about "net sales" - that is, on sales of any of the authors and pictures of any products, just for the sake of expediency (the work of a simple salon) ... Gallery, it is important to start with the artist on stage, when not yet formed in him the price on the market. Invest in its promotion, exhibitions, catalogs ... And only then make a larger profit. Only in this case the price for the artist's works will form a market, rather than artificially ... In this I see a real gallery-work, rather than a simple sale.

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.10.2009, 15:32

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Pokupateli ob etom ne dumaiut.

When I, as a buyer, get the picture, I do not care, as the owner of this place calls itself and what he calls his trading (trading!, Because there are selling!) Point-store, shop or gallery. And he was there more than engaged exhibitions, presentations, etc. For example, I'm not interested.
Came and bought a gift for the Moscow leadership of his holding the picture and forgot ...

Buscador · 28.10.2009, 15:35

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

as they say in the Ukraine, the client on a closed opening day. on tusovka.

Not in Ukraine, and Ukraine ... And in Russia, as they say?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And what is the purpose of this "exhibition activities"?

You attend seminars. There should already know that such exhibitions. Or Your task pritorgovyvat in the market (with strawberries)?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

came in and bought a gift for the Moscow leadership of his holding the picture and forgot ...

I knew that beyond that you do not see anything ...

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