Poland insists on the return of the paintings from the Pushkin Museum of Fine

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Сообщение от eva777

And, incidentally, the Soviet Air Force bombed Europe no less fiercely

That you are betting the Soviet forces to blame? We had to liberate Europe, armed with axes, pitchforks?

[nikolai nesterenko]

Сообщение от uriart

What are the prospects?
Who will return us to that?
You are so naive to think?
I'm surprised.

I think that the prospects certainly is. for this problem of the return we need to seriously engage in, ie making lists, follow the museum's collections and so on. Of course, the easiest to take a position "does not give up, because they themselves have suffered" - so "we"

[ВЯЧЕСЛАВ]

Сообщение от Ukhtomsky

Vyacheslav, do not forget. You write about the liberators of Europe from fascism, our common ancestors. Or in person your ancestors did not fight with the Nazis? But even in this case you have no right so to write!

My father fought. All the trophies that he brought back from the war - wounds and bruises (and as a consequence - thrombophlebitis). Collect values is formed from the rear command NKVD.Pri this myself and do not forget. I knew the house of one of the "warrior" - The Louvre is resting .

[eva777]

Сообщение от uriart

And the Allies are not bombmlm?

you have not understood, not unlucky Europe from all sides, who would not bomb it. How many cities were completely destroyed! How to .. difference who bombed?
War - is the worst thing that can happen to mankind, and where humanity would be nothing left, not only art, but also the people themselves, would consider who gets bombed!?
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Сообщение от Ukhtomsky

That you are betting the Soviet forces to blame? We had to liberate Europe, armed with axes, pitchforks?

  above all is to explain!

[Pavel]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

I doubt very much that Russia's party list is legally sound art treasures removed during the occupation. If there has been talk, in general, and more about the destroyed monuments. When they forget that funds the major museums of the RSFSR were evacuated and looted the church itself, and private collections not bylo.Poetomu and poke "Amber Room
  "Everywhere, as the most important argument.
The most affected museums and archives in Ukraine. What evacuated by the Germans and others from the Ukraine few people are interested in Moscow. But evacuees values and relics still not returned to its rightful owner. Or they too have ranked as the spoils of war?

Gatchinai Tsarskoe Selo, Simferopol Museum, Museum of Odessa and Sevastopol, etc. I'm not special in this case, but if I fought for the Nazis so I would say. But if the Nazis won you would nebylo even in this case is not an Aryan.

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Сообщение от eva777

you have not understood, not unlucky Europe from all sides, who would not bomb it. How many cities were completely destroyed! How to .. difference who bombed?
War - is the worst thing that can happen to mankind, and where humanity would be nothing left, not only art, but also the people themselves, would consider who gets bombed!?
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  above all is to explain!

You did not explain. The fact that some families are trying to get pictures so that was taken out, not all and not all were killed, and only because the Soviets liberated Europe, which by the way all this time, armed and fed the troops fighting against us. Why is the Jews did not create guerrilla units in Europe and not recaptured his paintings. Many worked and it is just those who are richer. There was a Nazi plan of plunder of all European museums you do not know?

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[QUOTE=eva777;637146] you have not understood, not unlucky Europe from all sides, who would not bomb it. How many cities were completely destroyed! How to .. difference who bombed?
War - is the worst thing that can happen to mankind, and where humanity would be nothing left, not only art, but also the people themselves, would consider who gets bombed!?
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As time is very important to those who bombed. Or do you think the destruction of cities is not important. But Guernica? Europe bombed the Nazis occupied the Americans and British, to them you have no claim? Strange logic, you have not saved them чтоли? Sami how?

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

My father fought. All the trophies that he brought back from the war - wounds and bruises (and as a consequence - thrombophlebitis). Collect values is formed from the rear command NKVD.Pri this myself and do not forget. I knew the house of one such a "warrior" - The Louvre is resting.

That would be you there? They would have rested.

Leipzig gallery returned and restored. They gathered to such a high-spirited not got.

[ВЯЧЕСЛАВ]

Сообщение от Pavel

, Museum of Odessa

In contrast to Simferopol and Sevastopol, Odessa has always been for administrative Ukrainoy.Nadeyus no objection. So, before the war in Odessa hud.muzee was the most representative collection of works by Konstantin Somov - more than 70 rabot.Spasibo friend Luba - MV Braykevichu and rodstvennikam.Vo war museum exposition and funds evakuirovali.I how many of them returned to Odessa .... As they say themselves come to Odessa on Sofievskaya and ask.

[eva777]

Pavel, Paul, you continue to read my message, or you have a reaction to the word "bomb"?
A rhetorical question. Finish disskusiyu with people who have no one but himself can not hear!

[Ухтомский]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

My father fought. All the trophies that he brought back from the war - wounds and bruises (and as a consequence - thrombophlebitis

The more strange attitude.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Collection of values involved in the team formed from the rear of the NKVD.

Since 1943, the Academy of Sciences of the USSR developed a plan of compensation for the loss of Soviet museums during the war at the expense of works of art that belonged to Germany. As part of this plan in February 1945 a special resolution of the State Defense Committee (SDC) was established "Special Committee of the SDC, whose task was to ensure interagency coordination in arranging for the removal from the territory of Germany, the trophy property. Special committee supervised the activities of the permanent commissions of the trophy at the front (at their command were captured Brigade Committee on the Arts and the USSR Committee for kultprosvetuchrezhdeny RSFSR). There were representatives from Committee on the Arts, the Main Archival Administration, the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, the Academy of Sciences and other institutions. Trophy Commission engaged in seeking the most valuable in the artistic and scientific point of books, manuscripts and collections. Commission staff, employees of the Soviet museums and theaters (among them - the curator of the Moscow Museum of Ceramics BV Alekseev, director of Moscow Theater, A. Belokopytov, one of the leading Soviet historian prof. V. Blavatsky, A. Chegodaev of the Museum. Pushkina in Moscow, Director of the Division for Cultural Heritage Preservation Grigoriev, V. Klimov and BV Koptsov from the Tretyakov Gallery, prof. V. Lazarev (MSU), Head of Art Sidorov, E. Sushchenko musician, curator of the Museum of Modern Art N. Sokolova) were assigned to the post of army staff officers, given broad powers and issued catalogs and extract from the inventory of books, with instructions to find, collect and remove the most valuable works of art.
From the first days of the war NKVD troops were on the forefront of the fight against the enemy, taking part in the direct protection of cities, and in ensuring the rear of the army. A special place was given to troops to prevent attempts at Nazi agents and saboteurs to infiltrate into the location of units and formations, to prevent sabotage the enemy on the front lines of communication. Activities of the entire system of the state apparatus, army and officials of the NKVD was subordinated to a single goal - to provide the necessary treatment for the army and the rear.
The legal basis for the action of internal forces were the decrees and decisions of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, instructions and orders of the NKVD and the command of troops, ruling Military Council of the front.
The Great Patriotic War - is an unprecedented feat of millions of Soviet people in the front, rear and the enemy-occupied territory.
You can have different attitudes to the functions and activities of the NKVD as a punitive body, but no one can diminish its role in defending the Motherland and the fight against the destabilization of social life in these difficult years. Many of the soldiers of the NKVD were awarded orders and medals for heroism and bravery, many of them became Heroes of the Soviet Union.
Activities of internal forces in the years of severe trials for the Motherland - a bright and heroic page in their history.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

I knew the house of one of the "warrior" - The Louvre is resting.

Little did anyone you know. This does not mean that it is necessary to interfere with the mud all involved in the export of trophies: soldiers, officers, employees of the NKVD, cultural figures.

[nikolai nesterenko]

Сообщение от Ukhtomsky

You can have different attitudes to the functions and activities of the NKVD as a punitive body, but no one can diminish its role in defending the Motherland and the fight against the destabilization of social life in these difficult years. Many of the soldiers of the NKVD were awarded orders and medals for heroism and bravery, many of them became Heroes of the Soviet Union.
Activities of internal forces in the years of severe trials for the Motherland - a bright and heroic page in their history.

.. Administrator (evil or good) to reiterate the rules!
However, VARIOUS belong "to the functions and activities of the NKVD and" as a punitive body "and" in the years of severe tests - it is impossible. This cry ruined souls slain.

[Pavel]

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Сообщение от Ukhtomsky

.. Administrator (evil or good) to reiterate the rules!
However, VARIOUS belong "to the functions and activities of the NKVD and" as a punitive body "and" in the years of severe tests - it is impossible. This cry ruined souls slain.

Who do you mean?
If it is the nationalists were the executioners of the SS's TV legions, various collaborators and traitors who helped the Nazis to find and repatriate stolen art. Why do not you know that the Germans sank all the ships from the Soviet Odessa with evacuees and without.

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Сообщение от eva777

you have not understood, not unlucky Europe from all sides, who would not bomb it. How many cities were completely destroyed! How to .. difference who bombed?
War - is the worst thing that can happen to mankind, and where humanity would be nothing left, not only art, but also the people themselves, would consider who gets bombed!?
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  above all is to explain!

You do not explain how to liberate Europe, not a bomb location of troops, factories producing guns tanks planes bombs that fell on the heads of our fathers and grandfathers. It refers to people speaking such things. Just outside Moscow voluntarily went to the front and the heroic deaths of thousands of musicians, artists, poets and others died under the bombs manufactured in Europe. They murdered Italians, Spaniards, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, and more and more.
Recently intellectuals recalled the word mankurtizm-it fits in my.
It is strange that this is an artistic site!
Do not you know how many cities were bombed us in the USSR: Minsk, Kiev, Odessa, Stalingrad, etc. with museums memorable places, etc.