Poland insists on the return of the paintings from the Pushkin Museum of Fine

[eva777]

Most of the "expropriated" and that it does not see, so they get the crumbs and then embarrassed some things to show. Like Schliemann gold, 50 years old was lying, and some, quite a small show.
Just so many monuments that have been removed trains after the war, from all over Europe .... impossible to take into account not to show. And what promises Antonova, so it is already 40 years of promises
Not everything in its power.

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Do not panic and give away the more that you have not purchased.

not acquire this at all.

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What you propose is a crime!

what I propose, this is normal, and no offense is not.

There is no time. tomorrow обосную their point of view me more

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Most of the "expropriated" and that it does not see, so they get the crumbs and then embarrassed some things to show. Like Schliemann gold, 50 years old was lying, and some, quite a small show.
Just so many monuments that have been removed trains after the war, from all over Europe .... impossible to take into account not to show. And what promises Antonova, so it is already 40 years of promises
Not everything in her power.

Collections of European and American museums are replenished as a result of conquest and colonial wars. They are ashamed of, really, for good reason. And we have nothing to be ashamed, we all received as compensation for the crimes that started a "enlightened" Europe on our territory.
     Museums of the Western world for centuries formed by conquest and kolonealnyh wars. Try to return the loot! So try to Egypt, Greece to recover their treasures, but can not. During the Great Patriotic War, our nation has lost an enormous number of works of art. Where are they? Somewhere in the vaults of Europe and America. (If you do not believe what has been destroyed, and ssozheno pokorezheno) And no this is not going to give! Alone, we always blame and forever robbed such as the minister or the secretary-general ##############betrayers of national interests. Thankfully, not all had stolen! And, thank God, not all like them! There are those who, on the contrary, acquire and multiply wealth and glory of the Fatherland!

[nikolai nesterenko]

restitution of cultural property, is being discussed all over the world, and not only discussed, but in some cases, decide (the return of the owners or their heirs of art objects, excluded, eg. in Nazi Germany, Austria, etc.). Russia's government, and not only how much the museum, in every way opposed to restitution, in my opinion because they are afraid of the requirements to return property stolen from their own citizens during the reign of "effective manager" J. Stalin and his successors

[galatey]

nikolai nesterenko, good den.a why Greece is not present in Italy the right to antique things and at the same time should not require kompensatsii.dalee medieval war looting of valuables and even Napoleon, and so it.p.

[Grigory]

Please read what this forum thread!

Art Kaleidoscope Interesting and relevant material about art. Discussion of general issues of art and all those not falling into the other thematic sections. There is only art! Love, politics, sports, other hobbies - in the "Arbor».

I repeat: There is only art!
Clear?

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Please read what this forum thread!

I repeat: There is only art!Clearly?

  The policy is not circumvented. I suggest this topic be moved to the "Arbor".

[uriart]

Once in the program "in the title role" Irina Antonova, the question of restitution of Julian Makarov said curtly and Yano:
"We owe nothing!" We should. We-no! "
Honor and praise her for this position.
Indeed all that lies in the vaults had been received as compensation for the losses suffered by the country during WWII.
And there's nothing to touch anything.
Shvydkoi has endeavored to give Boldin a collection. Probably a good rollback was promised.

[Grigory]

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Probably a good rollback was promised.

Prove it in court! And so it is - an empty TREPOV!

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Once in the program "in the title role" Irina Antonova, the question of restitution of Julian Makarov said curtly and Yano:
"We owe nothing!" We should. We-no! "
Honor and praise her for this position.
Indeed all that lies in the vaults had been received as compensation for the losses suffered by the country during WWII.
And there's nothing to touch anything.
Shvydkoi has endeavored to give Boldin a collection. Probably a good rollback was promised.

"How it was." The documentary story of Viktor Baldin

Anna Martovitsky

 
"When I was in the companies, had seen the soldiers pinned on canvas paintings from the basement more often than they were nude female figure"
 
... When Hitler's troops attacked the Soviet Union, I was completing his studies at the Moscow Architectural Institute. That summer I was at work on the restoration of the unique monuments of Old Russian architecture of the Trinity-Sergius Lavra in Posad near Moscow. After masking the golden heads of churches and cathedrals, I was drafted into the Red Army and sent to the last course of the Military Engineering Academy. And already the officer Corps of Engineers began the front with the way the terrible battle on the Kursk Bulge.

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In 1945, our engineer units operated north of Berlin in the direction of Eberswalde - Iohinstal, Kravelin - Kyritz - Gransee - Alt-Ruppin - Perlberg - Karlstadt and May 5, came to the river Elbe. Further movement of troops had been suspended, and we were ordered to a temporary camp near the town Kyritz (80 kilometers north of Berlin).

I was instructed to choose a place for the dislocation of our engineers and demining brigades. I remember as a clear May morning, I left with two attendant in the city Kyritz. On the northern outskirts of the city, our attention was attracted by a large forest, we went to the side of the forest. Soon, it seemed a huge lake. On its shore was a beautiful house with two wings; grand staircase terraces down to the water.

We invited a host. Released high gray-haired gentleman with two middle-aged woman - it was the Count Königsmark. I explained that the house has a military headquarters. The count will have a truck - it can take what he needs, and it will be taken where it pleases. Looking above my head, Earl something said, and one of the women quickly translated: "Count on the Russian did not need anything. All three went to the door, the women were under the hand of the graph.

The house is located the headquarters of engineering-sapper brigade, and the linear part is close to the forest - the soldiers dug a dugout, and for the officers cut down the houses. So we lived here for almost two months in anticipation of returning home. Order came, as always, unexpectedly, and we quickly began to gather for the speech, scheduled for July 6. By the evening of the last day before he took the soldiers brought me the news that in the basement, where the staff, they saw a pile of "some pictures". The fact that the whole war I tried to find time to paint. At the request of fellow soldiers did their portraits, they are in the letters sent home - cameras, we did not exist. Therefore, they correctly judged that the news of the figures interested me.

After a break the door in the twilight favorite vaulted room, I saw a pile of the same mat, apparently dropped from haywire racks, standing on the perimeter walls, and walked on them, they looked at. I picked a few random pictures: gold stamping on heavy cardboard names were listed - Overbeck, Richter, Slefogt - that if I were not known. But then I saw the familiar - Guido Reni, Titian, Veronese, then Rembrandt, Rubens, Van Gogh. But Albrecht Dürer - one, five, ten, twenty drawings with his characteristic monogram of two letters!

Breath ... What's unique sheets! Immediate need to be saved! Expel all and put their own man at the door: "Do not let anyone!" Then he ran to the commander of the brigade. In the confusion of departure, Colonel barely listened to my story and waved excitedly: "Come to the Chief of Staff.

Chief of Staff, I tried to persuade to provide at least the smallest car to save from extinction the unique images of a dark cellar. He thought, puffed at his pipe, and the curve for some reason wanted to know how old I am. Upon learning that 25, significantly extended: "A-ah ... and led to the window. The top floor of the house was a good view of the whole yard, filled with trucks. "See? 20 cars. We must have the same, but they are still there. And here you are with her drawings.

Figures were many. First I chose the well-known names, then an interesting plot, and then began to take everything! Among the pictures was the only picture on a small blackboard: hurry rider with a horse in a characteristic dark coloring oil painting. The sticker on the back - Goya!

It was past midnight, the last candle burning low, and I could not tear myself away - cut off and cut. And early in the morning had to act on the road. I had to leave something that seemed not so valuable, but how can you be sorted? Also do not leave a premonition: that will leave - will die. My heart was heavy ...

The route from Berlin to Brest length of 1000 kilometers. We walked over a month. And when I was in the companies, had seen the soldiers pinned on canvas paintings from the basement more often than they were naked female figures. Then I told the soldier: "You know what this figure represents the value of a museum?" It must necessarily be retained. And you have lost it. What do you want to get for him? "How?" In exchange, went all - and belts, and watches, and the board, and sometimes just the money - all that I could give. The latest "acquisition" after long negotiations was a small head of Christ Diirer executed in tempera on a cypress board - in exchange for newly-stitched calfskin boots. So was the completion of the collection. Suitcase all the time with me.

In the collection of drawings were submitted to the best artists of almost all European countries since the fifteenth century, playing many subjects met frequently in books on art. There were drawings by Italian masters - Fra Bartolommeo, Titian, Caravaggio, Guido Reni, Salvator Rosa, Tiepolo, Veronese, Bernini (84 sheets), famous artists of France - Greuze, Corot, Delacroix, Rodin, Manet, David (23 pieces). England, Austria, Spain, Czech Republic, Bohemia, Norway, Switzerland, represented by such masters as Murillo, Goya, Daniel Gran, Maulbertsch Dahl and others (15 sheets); among the Dutch were - Rubens, Snyders, Hals, Van Dyck, Rembrandt , Ruisdael, Van Gogh (97 sheets). Most were, of course, the Germans - Durer, Günther, Krüger, Overbeck, Richter, Bush, Slefogt, Kobell and other (145 sheets).

The collection contains 362 sheets of drawings and watercolors and two small paintings by A. Durer and F. Goya. At the same time on 52 sheets of drawings and have been on the back, sometimes the same grimy, as with the front side. Thus, the collection consisted of 416 plot drawings. Almost all the sheets, there was a round seal of the museum Kunsthalle Bremen.

© "Culture", 26.03.2003

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Grigory Zaslavsky

Shvydkoi: we get the money for the Bremen collection

But as long as it remains in storage ROSIZO

In early February, the Minister of Culture of Russia Mikhail Shvydkoi during talks in Berlin promised to return to Germany, the so-called "Baldin collection" - part of the collection of the Bremen Kunsthalle. Exactly one month later, the chairman of the Duma Committee on Culture and Tourism Nikolai Gubenko gave a sharp condemnation of gratuitous transfer of cultural property. The confrontation reached its climax, and when she and the other party appealed to the Prosecutor General's Office. Yesterday in "NG" their point of view expressed Nicholas
Gubenko.

Today we publish an interview with the Minister of Culture Mikhail Shvydkoi.

- Fradkov, tell me, what is your relationship to the current developments around "the Baldin collection"?

- I am very pleased that events unfold as they unfold. This indicates that there is no conflict between the branches of government, various state institutions and society.

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Even in such sensitive matters as the problems associated with the consequences of World War II in culture. For me, it is important that today, this discussion reveals that the public interest to ensure that all acts committed in accordance with law and international treaties of Russia.

It is highly disadvantageous think a tantrum, which frustrated some participants, because it prevents a truth. For me as a bureaucrat, it is important that all was done according to the law, and in that sense I am extremely pleased and that the problem Baldin collection discussed in the Duma, and what steps the Ministry is studying the prosecutor's office, and that the situation is under the supervision of the President. Once again I want to emphasize, there are no parties to the conflict, the more opponents. Opponents have remained on the fields of the Second World War. All the controversy and debate that goes around "the Baldin collection" and around displaced values, it seems fruitful for the present and future.

- You are sincerely glad to see this?

- Of course, it is important to only one circumstance. The controversy must be fair. The debate should not be misleading nor society, nor the Parliament nor the executive branch nor the media nor the first president. Nikolai Gubenko thrice misled all participants in the discussion: it is misleading and the president, and his colleagues in the parliament. The first time he insisted that the Baldin collection is part of the museum's array, which should be governed by the Law On Displaced values. This, in fact, built to address the parliament to the president. The second time, when Mr. Gubenko reported to the president of a protocol of intent in 1993, which not only has not lost its strength due to the emergence of new laws including the Law on Displaced values ", but intended to return to the Bremen collection of unfavorable conditions, Russia . And, finally, the last - when tried to convince the public that legislators and the performers must work together to implement the laws. This is contrary to the constitutional separation of powers. I do not know for what reasons, performed all these actions, Mr. Gubenko, but also to work constructively on the Baldin collection to a man like me and my colleagues in the ministry is very difficult. On behalf of the president, I met with Mr Gubenko, but the essence of order was that it was necessary to hold consultations with factions of the Duma, to find consensus on this issue. What I, in fact, engaged in recent days. Naturally, the "United Russia", representing the parliamentary majority, in this case seems to me the most constructive partner in the negotiations with the Duma. Although I have had conversations with the leadership of the ATP and we are preparing documents for circulation to the leaders of all factions, including the Communist Party.

Grievances Mr. Gubenko the way he was met at the Ministry - as we found it absolutely in ethics, which, let's say, than on parliamentary goodwill and tolerance, "- seem to me more than strange. Everyone knows that we have known since 1965, but to be on "you" with a man who during the week of reproach in all media, even for me, a man of peace-loving and ready for a variety of compromises, a highly difficult. I have not said yet that Mr. Gubenko sent a letter to Prosecutor General's Office about the activities of the Ministry of Culture in general and the minister himself, but for this I am grateful to him only because I also treated with similar requests. True, not in the form samodonosa, and through the press and the relevant authorities.

- How do you comment on that, by the way, submission, signed by Deputy Attorney General?

- Because the prosecutor's office sent its opinion by marking it marked "For Official Use Only", I, as a bureaucrat, I can not publish it. I can only say that the statements of Mr. Gubenko, in my view, premature, and the Ministry of Culture in response to the submission of the Attorney-General will address a letter in which we ask to clarify some of the positions reporting, because we did nothing that would violate Russia's law . I am deeply convinced. On Wednesday I met with representatives of the faction "United Russia" and hope that this faction and its leaders will help us in a dialogue with the German side, and with the State Duma, and with the public. I believe that we can get for Bremen collection twice as much as that on which insists Nikolai Gubenko. And the preliminary agreement is quite convince me of this.

- How do you think ...

- No, I would like to comment on some more recent statements by Nikolai Nikolaevich. Now my shamelessness. The memory of my brothers and sisters, which burned in the 41-th year, the memory of dozens of relatives who fought and died on the battlefield, my father, crippled at Stalingrad, did not allow me to never forget what happened in our country during the war . I never even talked to anyone at all, because it did not consider it necessary, they say, show the wound. But I'm no worse than Mr. Gubenko know why the Germans came to my land. But apparently, I am more than Gubenko, respect for modern Russia, because I firmly know that we have entered into the civilized world and must live by civilized rules. And should not enjoy the fact that we rightfully belongs. I - an official at the service of Russia and the state will act in the interests Rossiyskogo state and its laws. To Rossiyskogo States - observe good neighborly relations with its partners, especially in such difficult historical moments, like today, when Russia and Germany stand together against the war in Iraq. But I will not break any law of Russia in order to please someone outside my country. I am confident that justice and right will prevail.

- It is known that "Baldin collection" is not part of the state assembly. Yet. Do not spoil it, after the current decision of the General Prosecutor's Office, the de facto ban the export of collections, with the official Berlin?

- I do not think that they spoil fundamentally. But for me there is much that we do not follow international laws, while the German partner, they should. I am not talking about what the price return, I say that we return the belongings of Russian descent, on demand and at a time when they are identified as a Russian thing. Naturally, this left its mark on relations with Berlin. But this is not the business of my agency.

- Since the exhibition of drawings in Bremen, scheduled to open on March 29, the collection was in these very days to go across the border ...

- I warned colleagues that this does not happen, because I do not want to violate the law.

- What would be the way forward "Baldin collection"? Back to the Hermitage? Back to the Museum of Architecture?

- The collection will be stored in ROSIZO, there is the normal state repository, otherwise not required. Just want to see: a collection of drawings - not a toy, such figures could ever exhibited only two months of the year. Therefore, opens and closes the box, we will not.

- Are not you afraid of prosecution? I mean personal - say, for exceeding their authority?

- You see, I am a normal person. All are afraid of something, including criminal prosecution. But in order to bring criminal charges against me, to prove that I broke.

Published in Nezavisimaya Gazeta on 20.03.2003
Source: http://www.ng.ru/culture/2003-03-20/1_shvydkoi.html