Mail Denmark - from Copenhagen to Kiev

[allexx]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

DHL, incidentally, takes the customs cleaning in undisputed cases. Truth is a service fee from them, "brokerage services rastamozhevaniyu".

So that's just the problem that the brokerage service (encountered more than once not on art) - more institutionalized mechanism of "non-issues. Moreover, in cases of dispute - and here there can be many - namely DHL "washing his hands." So I think - if the risks are the same when choosing what Ukrpochta that DHL, then, of course, better that it was cheaper. Just spoke with another broker forvardingovogo agent who works with the temporary importation of personal effects of aliens on contract - in that mess at all in his head, has talked of this, that in any gate not climbing - that, say, a picture can at customs to confiscate, because almost impossible to send that couriers such as DHL month, all custom clearing that customs will museum expertise and there for months now may be to keep the expertise ... and what is best - a lift now to some of the Danish airline, to send to yourself without any services here in Borispol, pick up at customs.

And you say - just. Even the customs brokers are not convincingly explain how to legally clear them through customs now.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от allexx

rather institutionalized mechanism for "non-issues".

This is not so. You are mistaken. Just themselves brokers, instead of you in contact with Customs. Everything is transparent, you will get all the papers for all amounts.

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Сообщение от allexx

And you say - just. Even the customs brokers are not convincingly explain how to legally clear them through customs now.

You experienced person from the Ukraine to explain everything. Do not listen to an illiterate "broker" that has "general mess in my head."

[uriart]

allexx, the customs brokers brains in one side of the work.
How to peel a little more with the client, because this or say.
If so tormenting doubt, go yourself to Denmark and even vezite her with him in the luggage.
And in Borispol all decide on the place and will no doubt and toil.
Indeed, in Ukraine such idiocy going on with these things, just amazed.
Arrives at the airport and customs officials look as if you tear and even more from you peel.

[allexx]

This is the answer from the Ukrainian DHL: "According to internal rules of DHL, is prohibited to transfer antiques." And the point! I phoned two of the Kiev office, customer service, spoke to the customs broker - neprobivaemo. "NO". From Denmark, say, in Ukraine, can not bring it. Please check - maybe it was banning the export from Ukraine, but to no avail. They say it's the universal rules. Maybe I'm something I do not understand, but not insanity it?

[uriart]

allexx, in Ukraine our complete insanity in all and in the transport-forwarding in particular!
And if you do not go into much detail, so everything will be fine.
Let the Danes send their shipping service. And what will come premise, here they do not have the right to detain her and not give the recipient.
I do not know. Personally I have not had any problems (knock, knock, knock on wood!), Has always received everything.
And from Denmark and from Sweden and from France, and Germany.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от allexx

This is the answer from the Ukrainian DHL: "According to internal rules of DHL, is prohibited to transfer antiques".

I do not know how in the Ukraine and in Russia only this:
  The goods which are accepted subject to the additional conditions:
Antiques, art (for shipments valued at over 50,000 Euro).
http://www.dhl.ru/publish/ru/ru/info...er/1.high.html

[allexx]

The latest result of communication with the DHL Ukraine: the third of the entering customer service, clearly not managed to answer my questions, is it true that DHL is not engaged in delivery of antiques anywhere in the world, sent me to the head of customs brokers company DHL, a certain Mary. And this lady, after listening to my questions, he immediately sent me back (!) In customer service. And only after persuasion condescended to explain that:

  1) she did not know if DHL delivers antiques, but if it comes from overseas courier DHL, then probably, I - the customer - must do its customs clearance
  2) the importation of any art object over a hundred years, requires permission from the Ministry of Culture of Ukraine on import - it does not matter, there are official documents for payment or not, while the signified must obtain permission to myself personally, but not their customs clearance service. When I asked why, then, receives the money brokerage service DHL reply was received "for work purely from the Customs.
3) to my assertion that there was some mistake and that my friends on the site a long time antique dealers via DHL carry paintings, was answered, that's all lies, no one carries and can not carry.

So, gentlemen, the adequacy of DHL in the Ukraine in the shipping and customs clearance of paintings now I have very big doubts.

[sergejnowo]

allexx, in practice it's simple.
Just do not predictable.
At DHL, Fedex, UPS, DPD, without exception, in the statutes written in black and white, not antiques we carry.
He asked everyone, without exception, the above services in Germany, why? The answer is simple, antiques are not a commodity which is produced in current period. This product-Unique, which, in case of loss /loss can no longer reproduce. And if it can not play, it can not be assessed. The amount can be called, but can not be assessed. This insurance is ordered antiques official NO. For example, you have a meter Burliuk for $ 100,000, and the appraiser would say - then paint on canvas and $ 10 with a frame for another $ 25.
Capitalism has its own logic, and it rests only on deception.
Example, buy a silver cup at a flea market for 1 euro. I went to DHL and say - in Moscow, please, be sure to insure!
And what is it? Oh, Faberge, a gift from the Queen, she presented it to Pope, who blessed him and gave it to Hitler, -3,000,000 $ short. There are hundreds of ways that would Posylochka lost and your insurance. To avoid this, and said insurance NO.
A carry (earn) it wants to ....
Put a price ceiling ....
The insurance only up to .....
Important: no word about antiques .....
In this regard, recently, in Europe, the auction house without any problems send work only until 1500 - 2000 euro, while keeping the contract with private couriers. For legal reasons they are obliged to operate with real tsenymi of goods sold.
Private person easier, bought for $ 5000, sent $ 200 and the trick, just do not have to yell about antiques and dilute with customs house.
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Lots of things can be worked around, but byvyyut deadlocks.
I personally bought a painting at a Swiss auction for $ 5000, said the auction immediately - do not send. He fought for two weeks with the above services, no chance. I went and took himself. It's a shame that I Customs and transport agent by profession, and the question for myself is not closed. I had to send the goods on the spot, no question. A pick up officially on the side - dead matter.
By this I mean that theoretical research in this field is a waste of time.
I bow in all seriousness: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=26

[allexx]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

By this I mean that theoretical research in this field is a waste of time.
I bow in all seriousness: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=26

That's the way it is right, but just now I went to the site of the Customs Service of Ukraine, and whatever Ukrpochta said, and whatever he wrote Yuri and Customs Code states unequivocally:

"Cultural values in the displacement across the customs border of Ukraine in international mail is prohibited."

And you say, theoretical research. Here a direct violation of the law. And the result: in the mail can not by law, couriers (DHL) do not take.

I will continue to think. There is an idea to contact the forvardingovuyu company, these seem to be omnivorous.

Meaning go to Copenhagen because of a couple of hundred euro no.

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от allexx

That's the way it is right, but just now I went to the site of the Customs Service of Ukraine, and whatever Ukrpochta said, and whatever he wrote Yuri and Customs Code states unequivocally:

"Cultural values in the displacement across the customs border of Ukraine in international mail is prohibited."

And you say, theoretical research. Here a direct violation of the law. And the result: in the mail can not by law, couriers (DHL) do not take.

I will continue to think. There is an idea to contact the forvardingovuyu company, these seem to be omnivorous.

Meaning go to Copenhagen because of a couple of hundred euros there.

you made a correct conclusion, and all have understood correctly.
However, being taken ....
This week I received a parcel from Denmark, they are even presented with the mail.
Quickly and in perfect condition. The purchase price of about 1300 $.