Collector Raymond Johnson

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Сообщение от Eugene

in my collection of many pictures Tkachev brothers

It looks like they where 375 pieces

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Сообщение от Eugene

- By the way, Russia's art Maria Bulanova convinced that Socialist Realism had a decisive influence on the development of world art in the twentieth century.

Well, here you can argue with Masha

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Сообщение от dedulya37

It looks like they where 375 pieces

Well done Raymond ..

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Eugene,
Zhenya, I told you, there's not that simple ...

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"...... However, in regard to the impact on the market, the loss of Soviet art from the western system of coordinates is purely theoretical, speculative issue. If we talk about the art of the eighties, at an auction today can pay now by Natalia Nesterova as much as , say, a work of Mimmo Paladino - the stars of the Italian Transavantgarde. Canvas Vadim Zakharov's worth ten or twenty times more expensive than, for example, work by Tim Heda - famous artist of the decade, conceptualist, who represented Britain at the Venice Biennale. The strength of the market in Russia largely due to a competitive spirit and the patriotic interest in Russian art collectors and gallery owners, not cramped in cash whose source - sale of oil and other natural resources ...." Matthew Bown.
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Beautifully writes fellow.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Eugene

enormous influence

Zhenya, there is a difference "decisive influence" and "enormous influence" ?
If it was "critical", now would be like Hurst wrote Korzhev or "peasants" (school nickname) Naumova.

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Сообщение от dedulya37

now would be Hearst would write as Korzhev or "peasants" (school nickname) Tkachevs.

like ... you're right.

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Вложение 39785
"....Matthew Bown: Realism, of course, alive. "Of the one hundred most expensive artists in the world in the last twenty-five years - the Chinese, who were studying in institutions in China, attended the high realist technique, and pictures in mostly realistic, and they are among the most coveted in the world. Realism is alive in America. The artist Jeff Wall, which is currently exhibiting at the Biennale, genre painter in the purest form. Andreas Gursky, a very expensive photographer from Germany, also a realist. In England, the most expensive painter Lucien Freud , a realist. That is, realism thrives everywhere. .. "
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Вложение 39795
"....First Lady Tar: I have always aroused the suspicion of great artists who are now, today they say: I - a realist. Or is that something really terrible, I'm afraid to watch the work, when I the artist previously warned that he was a realist, or, conversely, you can open any absolute abstraction. Malevich, in my opinion, is also something which claimed that he was a realist. Very different things can go invest in that word. But when I make this project, I did not invite any of realists. There I have a photographer, Conceptual quite a lot. I was amazed that all of them with great interest the Russian realism, they all began to speak ... I was quite shocked that that Ilya Kabakov with I spend hours talking on the phone from America, as he was not interested in Andy Warhol, Jeff Koons and other artists, and how it terribly interesting Perov, Fedotov and Alexander Ivanov.

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I think it's just returning to your question, because the realism is dead, and it is so no one needs ... That is something we are accustomed to thinking that we all want to go to the Tretyakov Gallery and look realistic paintings and contemporary art nobody likes. We all grew up with this feeling that we are engaged in a sort of elitist affair, but the bulk of people go to look at the painting "Alyonushka." Perhaps some weight back and go, but on the whole cultural situation has changed a lot now, I would say the contrary, they all want contemporary art, they all want to blinking, jumping and light and was in some contemporary forms. But this realism that was then, and even with the image of what some villagers or something like that, or some revolutionary liberation movement, it is so nobody wants that, probably, the artists were delighted that they can do something that already has the status of some African masks, as it was for Picasso ... "
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Source. Russian realism.
http://www.svobodanews.ru/articlete....70318120057160

Interesting opinion, but that our dear forum members think?

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Сообщение от Eugene

the main and most interesting artistic direction of Russian art of the twentieth century has been and remains realistic.

Сообщение от Eugene

- By the way, Russia's art Maria Bulanova convinced that Socialist Realism had a decisive influence on the development of world art in the twentieth century.

With all due respect, but this is ridiculous.

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Elena Fanailova: Let's talk in earnest about where it in fact is a watershed. Because, really, zhiznepodobiya very much. Realism can be called anything, we have listed themselves - the magical realism, socialist realism, critical realism. We want the truth from art or do we want "us to elevate deception" and then we no realism at all, then do not need, or for some reason we still need the realism in the paintings, we have to learn something? What?
First Lady Tar: Realism - it is the only direction that, in addition to that it is a historical style, and even philosophical problems.

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We can not say nothing about the Baroque, nor about the Renaissance, nor there, about the modernist style, nor about anything else. Here Malevich wanted to Suprematism came down to this path. For him, this sense of realism was a model, because the realism, if we look in the dictionary or the Internet got, we will find a lot of philosophical texts, which since at least medieval theology, examined this problem, the problem of reality in principle. So we are infinitely encounter this one question: is there truth in art? The question is how to understand it. If you understand how a certain image sufficiently precise, say, a person's appearance ... Everything is somehow like to criticize the Soviet art, because there is a portrait of Stalin painted unfair to, because in fact Stalin was a short, ugly, pock-marked man, but on Portrait of Isaac Izrailevych Brodsky drawn in such a handsome Georgian. And such revelations. Especially in an era of perestroika have written that this is not real art, because it is not realistic. This, of course, a funny conversation, because such tasks at the beginning, perhaps, the art of ancient Greece were set to draw a bunch of grapes so that the birds flocked and started to bite. But then the philosophical tension of such an image as a somewhat weakened, and in the twentieth century, such a task before him is not an artist creates. The notion of truth, of course, goes beyond how something outwardly similar. Again, not described in all categories - true or false. Art in general is in some other plane, where these things are not so primitive solved.

   Matthew Bown: Techniques realistic at all, is the common heritage, common language. But when we look back, say, the Renaissance, we come to the conclusion that Michelangelo - not a realist, and Caravaggio - a realist. We look at the Dutch art, we come to the conclusion that in fact Rembrandt - a realist. Somewhere there in our simple understanding of the realism of this one thing that you said - the truth about life. It was very important, of course, in all these debates about Soviet realism. You can argue how the artists achieved the Soviet to the truth, that she could be in the twentieth century, but in the end, we all come back again and again to this simple concept of realism.
http://www.svobodanews.ru/articlete....70318120057160

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Several interesting ideas about art .. (Cricket Guelphs and Ghibellines).
From the article: "Americans rehabilitate Socialist Realism"
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"..... Created in 2002 by Raymond Johnson's private collection, the Museum of Russian Art in Minneapolis - the largest collection of Russian art outside Russia: in his fund holds about 16 thousand exhibits - mostly of the Soviet period. The museum has already become famous by making joint projects with the Tretyakov Pathways Russian impressionism (GTG, 2003), "In the tradition of Russian Art" (Smithsonian Institution, Washington, 2005). Exhibition in Washington during the summer of 70 thousand people attended .

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"Reflections" - it's 25 paintings by artists, worked for the state, and in their free time to write the social order "for themselves." This explains the high quality of work: "leave" the artists with all the passion is not indulged in ideological and plastic research. This also explains their presence in the collection of Ray Johnson - usually such work does not diverge to museums, and settled in the workshops. Such a workshop and visited by an American collector in the first half of the 90's. Artists parted with his canvases with gratitude to the Americans are not so much for the material (although at the time it was a matter of survival), but for moral support - her while they were not needed.

But for some fifteen years, it became clear that not all so good it was in non-conformism, as not so bad was socialist realism. And after 30 years, perhaps, the opposition official and unofficial art in the Soviet Union will be perceived as struggle Guelphs and Ghibellines. Anyway, one of the pages of the history of the domestic arts - Soviet and tear it can not: indecent, and the book to pieces. In our country there is always the drama of someone willing to repress or to rehabilitate. In this case, certificate of rehabilitation of social realism came from overseas. It's safe - to make sure everything is in place, we definitely need to see your reflection in the mirror of the West. I wonder what the U.S. Socialist Realism is demonstrated for the first time not as a cultural, ethnographic material, as well as art - the similarities between our two countries with regard to the addition of national school of painting, obviously. Artists were brought in almost medieval pattern: they got to school, perfected over the years in the continuing tradition, good living by performing public contracts. But the USSR was the reserve of painting - traditional artists have been preserved in our country to this day, while enjoying the freedom of their American counterparts to drop these thorny venture still in pre-war ........"
http://www.gif.ru/themes/culture/rus...zm/view_print/

Сообщение от Eugene

.... Collector Raymond Johnson: in my collection of many pictures Tkachev brothers ...

Сообщение от dedulya37

It looks like they where 375 pieces

That's how Russian art of losing ...
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Guelphs and Ghibellines - Wikipedia http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гвельфы