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Старый 03.09.2009, 22:44 Язык оригинала: Русский       #71
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In the Old Testament about this is the entire text - continuous horror stories from small and spiteful god, the effects of both modern and cheap Hollywood movies, but a large number of pages, reminding the administrative and penal code.
This code is not in general administrative and criminal law - two big differences.: D Actually Donation codes then never written, and relevant rules, it is often included in the religious texts. Apparently, then it was more efficient. As for vendetta "eye for eye, tooth for tooth", etc., she was then widely distributed and long after (in Russia abandoned it almost before anyone else).
But maybe, one finds that the closer to him?
I read in the Old Testament was very impressed by other things. For example, "The Lord was with Judah, and he mastered the mountain, but the inhabitants of the valley could not drive because they had chariots of iron." (Judges 1:19). What chariot - is not clear, but terribly interesting. Another excerpt "... a man leave his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife and the two shall become one flesh" (Gen. 2, 24). Here, and comment nothing. And do not read the wonderful teachings Jews about how to comply with the requirements of hygiene? A Ekliziasta not read "And I gave my heart to, to know wisdom and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this - vexation of spirit, because in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."

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The fact that the ancient Greeks and Romans worshiped the wrong gods, did not prevent them to create the beginning of European civilization and culture.
Yeah, just a question: They Do? Open a history textbook for grade 5. So before the Romans on the peninsula suddenly blossomed the civilization of the Etruscans, and Babylon flourished (or withering?) In place an advanced civilization of the Sumerians. At the same time raise about Egypt, and in the north there was a legendary Hyperborea "country towns". Who are they and where at once come from around the same time such an advanced civilization - is not clear.



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Старый 03.09.2009, 23:02 Язык оригинала: Русский       #72
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This code is not in general administrative and criminal law - two very different things
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As always practicing lawyer, I know that for sure. But in those days there was neither the one nor the other code, as there was more civil code, etc.
All the laws were united in the Bible - a mixture of civil and administrative and penal code and the SDA. That is what I wrote.

Seems to me that you personally have not mastered the full text, focusing on the most interesting and attractive places that all [the Pharisees] love to quote in isolation from the full text. Please open the Old Testament randomly somewhere in the middle to the end. In 8 cases out of 10 you will get to what I pisal.I this mixture codes entirely repeated several times, for better absorption. The story about the end of 40-year wandering in the desert is precisely because of codes that are barely bound literary narrative of Moses, etc. Most believers know only the first few commandments, forgetting about everything else, which is more than one dozen.
 
Question - who invented it and who cares? I'm not sure that God will do after creating the world and man such trifles, which are also constantly changing. None of the modern believer does not comply with even half of the commandments of Moses (and I'm not talking about the first popular to quote the commandments). Part of the commandments is not observed simply due to the complete withering away of the ancient concepts and changes lives.

By creating a constant and complex laws of the universe, God could not create laws to man? Do not tell ... God could not create the commandments, which so quickly lose all meaning. On his behalf, said the small local potentates and princes, which was necessary to control the wild people.



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By creating a constant and complex laws of the universe, God could not create laws to man? Do not tell ... God could not create the commandments, which so quickly lose all meaning. On his behalf, said the small local potentates and princes, which was necessary to control the wild people.
From your message, you can conclude that you acknowledge the existence of God ... interesting, very interesting ...



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said small local potentates and princes, which was necessary to control the wild people.
To manage any people, including people on this forum ...



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I read in the Old Testament was very impressed by other things. For example, "The Lord was with Judah, and he mastered the mountain, but the inhabitants of the valley could not drive because they had chariots of iron." (Judges 1:19). What chariot - is not clear, but terribly interesting.
  But in the ancient Indian Vedas (Incidentally, the word "Veda" in Russian means "knowledge"), written somewhere in the middle of the 2 nd millennium BC, there is a description of "Vimana" - a celestial ship on which " inhabitants of the Earth can rise into the air, and the inhabitants of heaven - down to earth "and which is able to fly as a" solar field "and a" star field ". "A strong and durable must the body, made of durable material, like a large flying birds. Inside the device should be placed with mercury and iron-heating device underneath. By the power that lies in the mercury which sets in motion a whirlwind carrying, a person in this chariot, can fly long distances on the sky the most amazing way. Four solid container for mercury should be placed inside. When they are fueled by controlled fire from iron fixtures, the chariot of thunder force develops due to mercury. And she immediately turns into a pearl in the sky. "



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Старый 04.09.2009, 08:17 Язык оригинала: Русский       #76
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When I read the whole Bible, I began to say that it was after reading the original I realized this was an atheist.
I respect.
Just remembered the moment.
- And the third-doctors. Do you remember Mulevicha?
- I remember Mulevicha (what is this? Ah: "You know Aunt Hannah?-I know Aunt Khan. More ").
- Remember: "Do not be afraid to increase the dose. Give her eleven tablets hlorpotiksena? And this: "And yet, the professor, is my doctor," she believes in God. She believes in Jesus Christ ".-" What do you mean? "This is the same, dear?" What is it you? "
- Well, this is the time of the Archaic and heroism: a dash of religious faith is nonsense dash of schizophrenia. Now the opposite. Now we have the madness to say: I am an atheist.
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Clarification:
As always practicing lawyer, I know that for sure. But in those days there was neither the one nor the other code, as there was more civil code, etc.
All the laws were united in the Bible - a mixture of civil and administrative and penal code and the SDA. That is what I wrote.

Seems to me that you personally have not mastered the full text, focusing on the most interesting and attractive places that all [the Pharisees] love to quote in isolation from the full text.
None of the modern believer does not comply with even half of the commandments of Moses (and I'm not talking about the first popular to quote the commandments). Part of the commandments is not observed simply due to the complete withering away of the ancient concepts and changes lives.
Hmm, future lawyers in some universities teach his main point: to doubt, always and in all, this is one of the secrets of the profession. My dear, how many people in your environment believers inchurched how much, how many call themselves believers? I assure you that they recognize you can not. It is not necessary for all the talk.
How to "constantly practicing lawyer, you should at least have a diploma, for example, lawyer and, probably, at least superficially, but studied the history of law (in our example, it was domestic and zarubezhka separately). But, perhaps, a program in your university was different. Or taught history there for other textbooks.: Confused: What you vosprinimate the Bible only as a mixture of codes is, Well, the your right. Others think Shirshov.

  Well, all right.
You once wrote many things, but somehow all the more confusing. Acquire the full text was not intended goal of the modesty of its immense. : shy: Lack of appropriate education, lack of systematic knowledge on the subject: D. Well, not a theologian, I .... And the Old Testament (if for ordinary believers), it is more interesting for the Jews, to which I do not attitude, because come from goyev.
Strange and cruel really a lot of places, here mentioned, not all, in my opinion, krovosmeshaniya, for example, was not.: D But it just took me less than whole. I have many years head of scrap over the other mysteries of the Bible.

By the way, some Orthodox priests strongly recommend the faint-hearted people, church is beginning to read the Old Testament. Just because a lot of cruel people.



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Certainly not enough to read, we still understand.

I think the issue of these passages have nothing to argue. People who want to understand Orthodoxy, I advise you to read the New Testament. The Old Testament was filled with the coming of the Savior on earth, and certainly a part of the Bible, a very respectable and useful, but still the basic law for the modern man is in the New Testament.

I think nobody here does not convince anyone, nor had such a goal, but I want to say that a believer has one very significant difference from the atheist, is the most important thing-the experience of communion with God. This is a very special feeling, which helps to look at a lot of new, gives strength to many works, and helps to ignore the imperfections of earthly Church, and some ministers, etc. The man who discovered this feeling will never be able to say that there is no God.
Once all this is vague. The Old Testament is the holy scripture that is be understood literally. All comments are no longer sacred. According to the New Testament Jesus is called the son of Yahweh commanded to read the Old Testament. In a conversation with samorityankoy who asked him for help, he said he could not help not circumcised dogs. From this we can conclude, all that is written in the Bible-the Old Testament with all the nonsense and absurdity of our relations does not. Yahweh is a purely Jewish shtetl God. We see another. And since God can be only one offer to remove the brains out of the jar with the cucumbers and make a conclusion.



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The Old Testament is the holy scripture that is be understood literally.
Connoisseurs of the Old Testament, as they include scientists rabbis and Kabbalists and the Talmud, believe that there are several levels of reading the Torah (Vethovogo Testament). As for knowledge, a man rises from the literal understanding to higher levels (out of 5 if not mistaken).

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I have many years head of scrap over the other mysteries of the Bible.
Above them is thousands of years racking their brains ...



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22 And, behold, a woman Canaan, came out of those places, and cried unto him: Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David, my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him: let her go, because she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said: I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 Then came she and worshiped him, saying: O Lord! Help me. 26 He answered and said: not good to take the children's bread and cast it to dogs. 27 She said: "Yes, Lord! yet the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table. 28 Then Jesus answered her: O woman! great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was healed from that hour. (Gospel of Matthew, Ch. 15).
But the Samaritan.

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On the way from Judea to Galilee, Jesus stopped to rest at the source, called the Well of Jacob, near the city of Shechem in Samaria.
A certain Samaritan, adulteress, who came to collect water from the well, was surprised by asking Christ to give him something to drink. No Jew was made to apply to a stranger. There was a long-standing enmity between Jews and Samaritans, went so far tells John that they were forbidden to use common vessels.

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"10. Jesus answered her:" If you knew the gift of God, and who says to you: Give me to drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water "
11. The woman said to him: Lord you have nothing to draw, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? (pure water from the well known "live")
13. Jesus answered her: whoever drinks of this water shall thirst again,
14. and who will drink the water that I shall give him shall never thirst but the water that I shall give him will become in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. "

Jesus Christ told her about his teaching.

27. At this time came his disciples, and marveled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said: What thou? Or: what you say to her?
28.Togda woman left her water jar and went into town and tells the people:
29.poydite, see a man who told me everything that I did: is not this the Christ? "

Christ had refused to eat what brought the disciples.

"34.Iisus said to them: My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish his work.
35. Do you not say that another four months and then cometh harvest? I say to you: Open your eyes and look at the fields, they are white already to harvest.
36. Reaping receives award and gathers fruit for eternal life, so that soweth and reaping rejoice together
37. because in this case we have the saying: One sows and another reaps.
38. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labor: other men labored, and ye are entered into their labors. "

Who came from the same city samarityanene, believed in the new doctrine, and asked Jesus to stay with them. He went to him, stayed there two days and taught them, and many believed him.

From the legends we know that the Samaritan, conversed with Christ at Jacob's Well, the rest of his life devoted his preaching of the Gospel of Christ. For the preaching of the Christian faith she has suffered in 66 year (she was thrown into a well tormentors). Holy Church celebrates the memory of her March 20 (April 2 Nts. Art.). Her name: St. Martyr Photina (Svetlana) Samaritan Woman (the Samaritan woman).
Paul, himself not knowing it makes a good thing, so we had to stroll the entire Bible. You'll see someone do it first time.
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