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Старый 03.09.2009, 12:57 Язык оригинала: Русский       #61
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Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Father Yahweh, the son of Christ and the dove. Yahweh in Arabic elyahve or Allah, in Greek Pantakrator or Jehovah.



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Старый 03.09.2009, 15:09 Язык оригинала: Русский       #62
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"And no woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" (1 Tim. 2,12)
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"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord" (Eph. 5, 22),
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"Servants, be obedient with all fear masters, not only kind and gentle, but stern" (1 Pet. 2, 18).
In my opinion excellent instruction.
I hope you spoke with humor ... These instructions for those forms of social order, where women, children and the elderly were physically completely defenseless and servants as well. In their direct interests to follow these instructions, it is protected, as shown in the above quotations from the Bible. Today, this mindset is offensive to women and unworthy of an educated gentleman.



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Старый 03.09.2009, 15:19 Язык оригинала: Русский       #63
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These instructions and created such an order, and religion uzakanivala. Syvoboda is when a person receives for his work with adequate pay and wants to believe, does not want to believe, but defends his state.



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These instructions and created such an order, and religion uzakanivala.
These are, yes?

And here I thought these:

- I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, you shall have no other gods before Me.
- Thou shalt not make for yourself an idol, and no images of what is in heaven above, and on earth beneath, or that the water under the earth, not worship them or serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of fathers to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, but showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me and keep My commandments.
- Do not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, for the LORD will not leave unpunished the man who pronounces his name in vain.
- Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, six days you shall labor and do them all your work, and day
  Seventh - Sabbath of the Lord thy God: Thou shalt not do any work in that neither you, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor [thy ox, nor thine ass, nor any] thy cattle, nor the stranger , which is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- Honor thy father and thy mother, that you were good and that thy days upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
- Do not kill.
- Do not commit adultery.
- Do not steal.
- Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- I do not want the house to your neighbor, do not wish your neighbor's wife, nor his field, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any of his cattle, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.



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Старый 03.09.2009, 16:03 Язык оригинала: Русский       #65
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I hope you spoke with humor ... These instructions for those forms of social order, where women, children and the elderly were physically completely defenseless and servants as well. In their direct interests to follow these instructions, it is protected, as shown in the above quotations from the Bible. Today, this mindset is offensive to women and unworthy of an educated gentleman.
I put a smiley, but ... Just these sayings relate to the New Testament books, and they are not insulting to women, children and the elderly, looking like the angle at which it is read. Not a hint of insult. As servants, then with that word today, in the modern world can see the people who work "serve" in a particular area for the benefit of our society. For a very, very many people around the world, the words above are sacred, it is well known, and surprisingly did not know.



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In the Bible there are examples when God tells just the opposite.
To steal from the Egyptians gold and clothing
destroyed two cities and then do all except November
David kills her husband to take possession of his wife, etc.
One holy manages to expose his wife twice the king a second time when she was over 70 and so on.
As there, the good wishes ...
Jesus is the way left the family after his father died, leaving his mother with a minimum of 5 children, although as a senior was to continue his father's work for the chief. It is about respect and how it tried to take power when he said in his city. I decided to wander.



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Старый 03.09.2009, 17:52 Язык оригинала: Русский       #67
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As a servant, so with that word today, in the modern world can see the people who work "serve" in a particular area for the benefit of our society. For a very, very many people around the world, the words above are sacred, it is well known, and surprisingly did not know.
Well, let's not distort each other. The servants were slaves, with all the attendant consequences of such a provision. Therefore, in other respects was formed and a new word to describe a new state of affairs - "servants". Regarding the other things I had in view of European culture, too, with all the real education relations ... (And do not Indian, Muslim or tribal voodoo ...)



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Старый 03.09.2009, 19:04 Язык оригинала: Русский       #68
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With regard to other things, I had a view of European culture, too, with all the real education relations ...
I understand very well what you mean, and I can tell you that I do not see a conflict between the other texts from the Holy. Scripture and the present European education.
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Well, let's not distort each other.
I should note that the texts of St. Scripture can be read as literally understood the meaning and figuratively, that is, they are multifaceted. It would be better to read them, it is desirable to read more comments, interpretations St. fathers to help them better understand and correctly self St. Scripture. Certainly it is work, but I assure you not in vain.



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With regard to other things, I had a view of European culture, too, with all the real education relations ... (And do not Indian, Muslim or tribal voodoo ...)
a new term or concept of European education, the first time I heard. I think that the Europeans can now be much ignorant about their laptops and other blessings of civilization, rather than avganets in the mountains, who had already read at least one, but meaningful book.



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It would be better to read them, it is desirable to read more comments, interpretations St. fathers to help them better understand and correct itself St. Scripture. Certainly it is work, but I assure you not in vain.
Certainly not enough to read, we still understand.

I think the issue of these passages have nothing to argue. People who want to understand Orthodoxy, I advise you to read the New Testament. The Old Testament was filled with the coming of the Savior on earth, and certainly a part of the Bible, a very respectable and useful, but still the basic law for the modern man is in the New Testament.

I think nobody here does not convince anyone, nor had such a goal, but I want to say that a believer has one very significant difference from the atheist, is the most important thing-the experience of communion with God. This is a very special feeling, which helps to look at a lot of new, gives strength to many works, and helps to ignore the imperfections of earthly Church, and some ministers, etc. The man who discovered this feeling will never be able to say that there is no God.



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