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Старый 19.09.2008, 21:51 Язык оригинала: Русский       #31
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How? So he already has a business project that I made the predictions "brand without the artist, but perhaps with a living human incarnation?



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Старый 20.09.2008, 08:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #32
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and my five cents,
Momos friend sent an article on this subject:
http://imomus.livejournal.com/400901.html

Momos - singer, poet, composer and critic.

In his article, he compares Hirst John McCain.

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I'm fairly ambivalent attitude to Hirst. the one hand, he fellow that runs a charity, organizes auctions such as (RED). the other ...
vstavlyu have two pennies about Hirst and Warhol ...

I think that is incorrect to compare them. Warhol had a charisma, he - the idol of youth. I do not like Warhol, but I know many guys and girls my age who are very fond of him. they perceive it? for them the figure of Warhol symbolizes freedom of expression. he (as well as David Bowie, for example) showed that even if you freak or gay, you can become successful, famous and generally exemplary. you should not be ashamed, and should be proud that you are. I do not say what those were the goals of Warhol, I say, as young people perceive it. Hirst and ... symbol of today's "conservative youth", which taught that the ability to earn big money, spending it in style on the status thing and does not stand out in a "gray mass" is more important than a brilliant personality and ability to defend their opinion. I know many who like hearts and butterflies Hirst's (they are actually very beautiful), I know those who admire his marketing gift. but I can not imagine a person who loved him, as, for example, like the Surrealists, street-performers, etc.



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Старый 20.09.2008, 16:13 Язык оригинала: Русский       #33
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По умолчанию Paltimor said that 25%of buyers of Hirst - Russian

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A Hirst ... We say simply: I do not know a single collector (and I know many, including - abroad) who would like to get Hirst. All laugh.
Here's what proital on our site: http://artinvestment.ru/news/artnews...temporary.html

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But the deputy chairman of the board of directors of Sotheby's Europe, "Lord Mark Paltimor was in apparent euphoria over the unprecedented sales of British artist Damien Hirst, ended yesterday. The two-day auction auction Sotheby's, which took place September 15 and 16, for the work of Hurst managed to gain 111 million pounds (198 million dollars), almost twice the estimate. "I had no idea that people have so much free money, it was fine. And it is wonderful that rich people have decided that money is invested in art. By the way, a quarter of all buyers were from Russia ", - confessed Sir Paltimor.

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but I can not imagine a person who loved him, as, for example, like the Surrealists, street-performers, etc.
love - is like? To look at dimmed with tears of admiration? It is enough to greatly enjoyed. Street-performers? So you did not question that you can love Keith Harring and Basques, but you can not love Hirst? What is the fundamental difference? Yes, Hirst's work is impossible to separate from the image of their creator, from the legendary Hearst, from lawlessness Hirst, from boorishness Hirst. Legend - this is an inseparable part of their perception. Well, Dora Maar by Picasso have the same "disadvantage" is not it?

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and Hurst ... symbol of today's "conservative youth", which taught that the ability to earn big money, spending it in style on the status thing and does not stand out in a "gray mass" is more important than a brilliant personality and ability to defend their opinion.
There is. So what? Blaming the artist that his work often bought young careerists, asshole - it's like blaming BMW that "X's" like bandits.



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Старый 20.09.2008, 16:44 Язык оригинала: Русский       #34
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Here is what proital on our site: http://artinvestment.ru/news/artnews...temporary.html

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"I had no idea that people have so much free money, it was fine. And it is wonderful that rich people have decided that money is invested in art. By the way, a quarter of all buyers were from Russia ", - confessed Sir Paltimor.
The problem of all is, my dear Volodya, that for every citation, there is always a counter-quote, here's to date:

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Democracy plutocrats
  Matthew Bown

But I do not think that on that evening in the auction was attended by many British collectors. The target audience for Sotheby's now are not residents of the West, suffered from a falling dollar and the collapse of financial institutions: they seek out new rich from Russia, China and India, whose state put together, thanks to high commodity prices, political connections and a rapidly growing economy. The work of Hirst primary resource of this cultural neo-colonialism: once, as I understand it, we offered savages beautiful beads in exchange for gold, but now we offer them no less beautiful butterflies Hirst's dead in exchange for nefterubli.
And here's another one from the text, which I now doperevela and placed on the forum:


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To attract the very wealthy clientele, some artists have resorted to provocation with an industrial scale. Decaying cow's head (Hurst), Virgin, covered with excrement (Chris Ofili) can answer the expectations of one of the market segments: the segment, which lacked the hostility of the public, and its attendant scandal, hype around the product, as this segment is looking for primarily commercial. However, you can ask ourselves the question, whether this revolutionary art, funded and supported by state institutions and the financial giants of our time.

Caroline Bourgeois, lirektor Regional Center for Contemporary Art of the Paris region, says only that wealthy people "living in a culture of expediency. The form should be instantly recognizable »./.../

The higher the price, the less opportunity to expose the product to criticism. From the seller to the auctioneer, every inflate the price, to justify their work and their income. "In fact - ironically remarked one observer of the market - the buyer had bought did not work, but the price - the price, which was the value of the work. The only point is that sometimes the product of such a helpless thing that comes to the conclusion that the money in this environment have lost all value. "

But one way or another, and contemporary art is in great demand. It gives plausibility quickly fortunes. "This is an entrance fee to enter the circles, where the main criterion is the ability to pay - the entrance fee is very significant and therefore are mediatichesky interest, it is very important for new entrepreneurs growing countries" - comments Aude de Kerros.
Indeed, our Zhenya cyber findings confirm what is said in the quoted text you, just that they are written by people relatively impartial, unlike Sir Paltimora, exultation which is also understandable - after all, it is a seller successfully (or not so well - that we probably will not know) dream come your goods



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Старый 20.09.2008, 17:48 Язык оригинала: Русский       #35
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Hurst - formalinschik!
Hurst - formalist!
Hurst - farmazonschik!
Hurst - swindler!
Swindle from Hurst!
But! The funny thing is, it is buyers who pay such denzhischi for these psevdoraboty.
And, with great regret that I note that the trend towards Hirst does not fall, but rather the opposite!



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Старый 20.09.2008, 19:10 Язык оригинала: Русский       #36
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interesting!
And how many would be sold to Hearst himself in a jar of formaldehyde?
I think that the purchasers would be found ...
It is time to make him a drug! Such a great artist!
Good idea! Presumably Hurst (via E) be interested. Something like futures

Shl A, Ants Millikan has already outstripped the ...



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Старый 20.09.2008, 20:54 Язык оригинала: Русский       #37
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now we offer them no less beautiful butterflies Hirst's dead in exchange for nefterubli.
Friends, other than Hearst, we provide a whole series of "beads", such as: The Beatles, religious Range Rover and Jaguar, Amy Winehouse, Rolling Stones, serials BBC, Guy Ritchie, Top Gear, Jason Stetema, Reese Myers, the English style of dress and more. Who of them is the claim? Political statements Caddish - yes, but that is seems to be the genre.
Leave Hirst alone But it is really devastating "supply", which concern me personally. Listed:
1. Children's milk chocolate, causing allergies, but promoted by aggressive advertising. every sweet trash to children.
2. Fast-food, promoted by aggressive advertising.
A Hurst? Yes he is quite harmless



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Старый 20.09.2008, 21:27 Язык оригинала: Русский       #38
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Yes it is absolutely harmless
But money is our Russia .. where V.V.smotrit understand .. and our "Kremlin's auction house, where he is?



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Старый 20.09.2008, 21:42 Язык оригинала: Русский       #39
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But the money is our Russia .. where V.V.smotrit understand ..
People for their earnings or styrennye money want to buy the best (prestigious, recognized, preferably in a safe place). Patriotism, each with its own hackneyed Hirst us know
all but Motorina - not all. About Hearst write glantsevye magazines, and about Motorina not write.

Most importantly, in Russia the market is not an adequate supply, there is no work, can learn so much money. I wonder what will sell the Kremlin's auction house? I think if would have been masterpieces, the Gelos for the year would have grown some of the Kremlin.



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Старый 20.09.2008, 21:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #40
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Hirst write glantsevye magazines
Yes like he publisher ..

By topic: Matthew Bown. Democracy plutocrats ...

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...8235#post58235



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