eBay - supplier of counterfeit

[jurineo]

Сообщение от dedulya37

e-BAY has become more careful
Two regular work at the global auction pripisyvamye Stozha

In fact, eBay does not become more cautious, and he was garbage, so it will stay. I say this not from the lantern, and say, as 10-year-old member of the bin. Moreover, eBay is sufficient surrounded myself with all sorts of disclaimer and was completely purple, what was sold, just not of the prohibited list. All my attempts to buy at this auction, or at least a rarity ended the same way - once the oath is no longer climb, but greed and foolish faith in the "maybe" sometimes overshadow sobriety.
A general procedure for all kinds of auctions quite akin to speculation on the stock markets, except the last bit less risk. Statistics Wiener and losers, too, about the same.

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Сообщение от jurineo

greed and foolish faith in the "maybe"

And dogonku as the clearest example of a global sell especially on Russian topics - this Auktionshaus Bergmann. Inside INFA so to speak - this "house" is serviced by only two people - mother and father. Art objects begging in the various auction houses in Germany, actually only a few more of those who still deals with them. Reset is basically garbage, then Dad and Mom include fantasy, because no expert, neither historians nor the unit they had no laboratory. Not even a stationary point where their shows are held. Behind them in the recent past, two very serious scandal with customers in about return purchased falshaka. Double seriously sued and lost twice (though customers too mad at the court costs and lawyers). Then vlupili specialists huge disclaimer filed any type are not accepted. So dear all better get your hands off Bergmanoff.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от jurineo

All my attempts to buy at this auction, or at least a rarity ended the same way - once the oath is no longer climb, but greed and foolish faith in the "maybe" sometimes overshadow sobriety.

Well said.

[Wladzislaw]

The main thing is not where to buy, the main thing - what to buy. If you have the notion that you want to buy, then iBey no worse than Gelos.

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

The main thing is not where to buy, the main thing - what to buy. If you have the notion that you want to buy, then iBey no worse than Gelos.

Exactly.
Exactly.
At the market two fools, do not be offended at Ebey, but for themselves. On the second tier of German auctions bullshit in the percentage of not less than Ebee.
At Ebee helps two things:
- To understand the painting (however trite)
- Minimization of risk. With a high price to take the work myself and pay nalom. Thus it is necessary to understand the painting.: D: D

[jurineo]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

The main thing is not where to buy, the main thing - what to buy. If you have the notion that you want to buy, then iBey no worse than Gelos.

With all due respect to your correspondence, I dare ask you to read your written ....
I'll tell you a secret that I have quite a distinct concept that I am constantly looking for and what I specifically want to buy. I have the necessary resources. I find the search in eBay, contacted the author, even getting what you Join, win an auction and ... get, instead of dated in 1753 the owner of things maysenskogo porcelain, which is just plain crap. Not even replica ...
And now a little riddle for you, I understand. You never did attempt to return this sludge owner? Want to save your nerves and time? Lay and not to even try, and no one, and the network auction in the first place, you will not help. Taki case.
Regarding comparisons with Gelos, etc., then you see a matter of taste. If the process is not to admire inherited rare, and preferences are in the field bodany, for adrenaline, this is the right way.

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Сообщение от sergejnowo

Exactly.
Exactly.
At the market two fools, do not be offended at Ebey, but for themselves. On the second tier of German auctions bullshit in the percentage of not less than Ebee.
At Ebee helps two things:
- To understand the painting (however trite)
- Minimization of risk. With a high price to take the work myself and pay nalom. Thus it is necessary to understand the painting.: D: D

Simple, though perhaps not a modest question - how often have you been able to buy specifically for electronic auctions decent, and most importantly original vestchi?

[vyadem]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

The main thing is not where to buy, the main thing - what to buy. If you have the notion that you want to buy, then iBey no worse than Gelos.

totally agree!
if you do not swim in the elementary material, then in the usual bullshit antikvanom can buy ...

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от jurineo

I find the search in eBay, contacted the author, even getting what you Join, win an auction and ... get, instead of dated in 1753 the owner of things maysenskogo porcelain, which is just plain crap. Even a replica is not ...

If you were sent an entirely different subject - is a deception of the man who sold, it is not eBay's fault. If you had a photo, you gone anyway with the seller, had additional information, and then get the item, the former in the photo, you realize that this is not maysenskogo china veshch, then mneee ... you do not to buy the photos.

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Сообщение от jurineo

A simple, though perhaps not a modest question - how often have you been able to buy specifically for electronic auctions decent, and most importantly original vestchi?

I do not aspire to buy on eBay now Soutine.

A few lithographs I bought. In a German art dealer, who sells on eBay, I bought, for example, etching Cézanne (through eBay, I sold him an engraving Stefano della Bella, but failed). I was sent to Belarus wine, which I am quite satisfied, and one, quite inexpensive Spanish, has proven very magnificent.

[jurineo]

Сообщение от vyadem

totally agree!
if you do not swim in the elementary material, even in the usual bullshit antikvanom can buy ...

That's for you I am absolutely calm. Honestly. While at the Markt would like swimmers, then the market just do not destined to die. And it is happy.
And the rest - a happy voyage in antikvane!

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw

If you were sent an entirely different subject - is a deception of the man who sold, it is not eBay's fault. If you had a photo, you gone anyway with the seller, had additional information, and then get the item, the former in the photo, you realize that this is not maysenskogo china veshch, then mneee ... you do not to buy the photos.

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Mneee (nothing that I'm copying you?) - You probably do not understand what I wrote. Electronic broker did not do with it and to him I naturally have no complaints. Claims to have a contingent that there exists, especially in the so-called sections increased speculative.

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

I do not aspire to buy on eBay now Soutine.

A few lithographs I bought. In a German art dealer, who sells on eBay, I bought, for example, etching Cézanne (through eBay, I sold him an engraving Stefano della Bella, but failed). I was sent to Belarus wine, which I am quite satisfied, and one, quite inexpensive Spanish, has proven very great.

Why, in principle, to discuss your or my aspirations, what and where to buy?
The fact that you been lucky when buying lithographs does not refute the general tendency to be cruel from @ fried in any electronic auction. Until then, until you personally will not be able to touch live, with his own hands the subject of the proposed purchase, you - the food at the Markt. While it is to admit that someone like that.
Regarding wine from ebeya, and the more affordable and more all the more stunning, then I-would just hesitate at all to write like that. His, wine that is to say, all bought at ebee as a pig in a poke. Opened the bottle (ie in live fingered hands) and then comes enlightenment, often disgusting. Although ... I've got a friend who is trying to buy everything at ebee something extraordinary, such as Petrus. The truth has already been punished more than once, but as they say - hope dies last.

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Сообщение от vyadem

totally agree!
if you do not swim in the elementary material, even in the usual bullshit antikvanom can buy ...

Professor, a specific question. As absentia in your swim to determine what sort of matches one or other thing of maysenskogo porcelain? Well, 1 Wahl or say 2nd? Markings for them absolutely identical in form and color and on location.
Your swim even more complicated if your question to the owner, he immediately replied to you - of course it is 1, Wahl, though (in the best case), it is quite possible he has no idea about the essence of a given issue.
And, you, as an academician, you know the answer without "touch"?

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Сообщение от jurineo

His, wine that is to say, all bought at ebee as a pig in a poke.

I have one friend in the stacks buys the wine at auction, cheaper than in shops and at once a lot. A friend, just north of Hamburg, so too is buying. Apparently, as I understand, carry with them from holidays boxes, then something boring and sell. And they have a bottle in the evening with their wives persuade every day, and on Friday and Saturday, as much for two, alcoholics. : D
They are satisfied scary!

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Any Internet-trading, by definition вешь very casual, to say the least. I'm not trying to buy the art on the network, nor does it try to evaluate it over the network. I know too well how difficult it is to make a picture reflecting the true picture of at least 95%. Or how easy it is in Photoshop touch up the original to the desired level.

    The network is easy to sell goods at low prices. Whether you need product no. Anecdote since the early 90's:

    Two mediator agreed: one sells to another car oranges. Hit on his hands and parted. One went to find the car of oranges, the other - money. "

    Network does not need to have a real warehouse, experienced staff, a decent office. He gave a million items for sale - if I can sell them only 1000 - is already good. And this applies to normal commodity brands and product!
    What can we say about art. Lottery, and only. Of course, there is a hypothetical chance of finding an unknown masterpiece of the seller is a fool (I use the above terminology). But the laws of statistics tell me that the lottery is not worth playing.