Abstract Art Ukraine

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Meister

And if that happened, then tell her my point of view (in a polite way) and come to a common vzaimponimaniyu. I am confident that the administration is very interested in the development forum and the presence in it of high quality professionals!

        I am very sorry, but can you advise me what to do. The fact that I sent two letters to the administrator, but still not received a response. Perhaps there is some technical problem? Or even an administrator, whose name I sent them, not yet in place? However mnee it so - the answer is still no. I'm not going to discuss the administration's actions, but I would like to know what kind of post caused such a negative reaction on their part. I ask only to point to that post in order to avoid misunderstandings in the future.
      The fact that I was banned after it gave its figurative description of two works of Helium Korzheva. When I look at his work (including those that were posted on the forum, post 48, a branch of "socialist realism" - is the era of style in art or life and thinking? "), I get a strong feeling that depicts dead . So I said: "Zombie some! Ghastly! "A natural, I was discussing exactly as shown, but not that. (Although some forum members do not hesitate to give a rather harsh assessment of more recent historical events and present.) But I'm interested in painting, especially painting. It is my professional principles. In short, this post was removed, and I was banned. So I want to know why, precisely in order to avoid misunderstandings later. Recommend how to be?
Sincerely, Tiutchev.

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...315&page=5

[Wladzislaw]

Regarding Kazimir Malevich - the ethnically his family of Ukrainian origin. Pedigree known since middle. 17., They lived in Ovruch county Kiev province. I think that in Ukrainian, he was able to speak. Like other small gentry, the church to go - there are Polish, but at home or with relatives, neighbors, and can be translated into simpler. Princes Radziwill in Belarusian talk, but the petty Ukrainian gentry ... Here I thought K. Malevich himself a Ukrainian, we can not say we can, but call it a Ukrainian artist, in my view, quite correct.

[Yaya]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

Regarding Kazimir Malevich - the ethnically his family of Ukrainian origin. Pedigree known since middle. 17., They lived in Ovruch county Kiev province. I think that in Ukrainian, he was able to speak. Like other small gentry, the church to go - there are Polish, but at home or with relatives, neighbors, and can be translated into simpler. Princes Radziwill in Belarusian talk, but the petty Ukrainian gentry ... Here I thought K. Malevich himself a Ukrainian, we can not say we can, but call it a Ukrainian artist, in my view, quite correct.

Wladzislaw, which gentry in the late 19 th century in the Kiev region? What are you?

He was from an educated family. His father was manager of production, which, incidentally, belonged Tereshchenko. Kiev intellectuals (like this to someone or not) in the Ukrainian language is not spoken. They spoke in Russian (if not Surzhikov), a little French, in this case, also in Polish, because he was "a great Russian artist, ethnic Poles, who was born and raised in Ukraine."

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Yaya

what gentry in the late 19 th century in the Kiev region?!

What? I understand that the gentry is a nobility in Poland, the Ukrainian provinces and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Local term, so to speak. No?

[Yaya]

Cyril Syzransky, after a divided Ukraine (Poland and Russia Empire) here gentry virtually ceased to exist. In any case, privileges are taken away from her. And after that, as in the early 19 th century began the so-called verification (action, which was actually aimed at destroying the remnants of the gentry) of it (the gentry), virtually nothing left

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Yaya, understood. Just thought that the nobles of Polish origin have traditionally used this word.
Example, the Soviet Union are long gone, and the Soviet champagne can be bought in a store. : D

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от Yaya

ethnic Poles, who was born and raised in Ukraine ".

Nationality and ethnicity - things are often very different. Malevich referred to an ethnic Ukrainian. And Baron Ungern-Sternberg used to say: "Best of Russian - is the Baltic Germans."

Сообщение от Yaya

after a divided Ukraine (Poland and Russia Empire) here gentry virtually ceased to exist. In any case, privileges are taken away from her. And after that, as in the early 19 th century began the so-called verification (action, which was actually aimed at destroying the remnants of the gentry) of it (the gentry) is practically nothing left

You absolutely do not understand what you write.

Poland Ukraine is not divided until 1569 it was a Grand Duchy of Lithuania, after - The Kingdom of Poland.

Malevich genealogy can be found in the book:

Genealogy and ancestors Malevich /Malevich about yourself. Contemporaries of Malevich. Authors-compilers I. A. Waqar, TN Mihienko . T. 1. Moscow, 2004. S. 372-385.

About gentry:

Chernetsky ¤. Lysenko VS Pravoberezhnaya nobles. Кінець XVIII - Persha half of the XIX century. 2 species. Bila Church, 2007. 448 pp.

Chernetsky ¤. Pravoberezhnaya gentry for російського panuvannya. Bila Church, 2007.

Pravoberezhnyj gerbivnik / ¤ UCLA. Chernetsky .
Volumes 1-4.

Legitimovana right bank gentry (kinets XVIII - mid XIX century.) /The way of.: S. Lysenko, ¤. Chernetsky . Bila Church, 2006.
T. 2: List легiтимованої gentry Київської губернiї. - 224 pp. (A - I)
T. 3: List легiтимованої gentry Волинської губернiї. - 240 pp. (A - D)
T. 4: List легiтимованої gentry Волинської губернiї. - 224 pp. (H - H)
T. 5: List легiтимованої gentry Волинської губернiї. - 240 pp. (O - I)

List of the gentry Київської губернiї kintsya XVIII - XIX century першої chverti. / UCLA Yevhen Chernetsky .
Випуск "Abramovich - Ashmyantsov. - Bila Church, 2005. - 16.
Випуск "Chain - Charnetsky. - Bila Church, 2006. - 16.
Випуск "Charnetsky - Chernitsky. - Bila Church, 2006. - 16.
Випуск "Chernyavsky - Chopovsky. - Bila Church, 2006. - 16.

[Yaya]

Wladzislaw, let "zamnem for clarity! And then we both rolled up Велесової books!

I, too, you can send a list of references from which you will learn many new and interesting.
I Took the history of Ukrain in the National University at different times to two different professors: King and Sergeichuk. One had to say that Bendera "goats", another that they are good fellows (important not to confuse!). Otherwise, instead of flourishes in Fiddlesticks zachetke get with poppy.

And the truth, as always, somewhere in between.

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от Yaya

And the truth, as always, is somewhere in between.

The truth is that as you continue to debate the subject, which have no idea.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

The truth is that as you continue to debate the subject, which have no idea.

Do not judge so strictly Yaya, dear Wladzislaw, it can happen with each. Here's one example, please: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=10305