At that living contemporary artists

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Artem

Who said that? And the theme of weird. What artists bad live? It may be necessary to properly allocate funds? From 1000 to 5000 tys.u.e.v month - this is normal for the entire civilized world. Maybe I'm wrong, but as living artists?

Yes, Artem something like this. However, this applies more or less successful artists. For example, in the West there is a perception that live only in painting impossible. So many artists live on their wages, and more art for the soul. But, can we speak in this case about professionalism?
In general, both here and in any case. There are some people successful, middle management and poor.

Remembered an anecdote. Occurs rat guinea pig:
Tell me-mumps, why you all are loved, fed, stroked .... And I seek and destroy? After all, we're practically does not differ from each other
At that pig responded
"I think that the whole thing in marketing ...

[Posav]

And I would have distinguished between such concepts as professional education and professional lives with sales. Besides self-taught (please do not be offended nuggets) to sell the painting at the bazaar, too, in its way a professional. A professional can write good works, but they may not be opportunistic.

[Артём]

Сообщение от Jasmin

Old Jew asked:
- How are you?
He replied:
-Good.
... And he cried ...

Super!

Сообщение от Ninni

Your opinion is not a destination

That's right. I just talk with the artists (friends) are self-sufficient in everything.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Artem

Why Paris! Sorento! 500E per month for an apartment, canvases with him. And work. Forward! Yes, God grant everyone such a life. It's nuts that twist?
I hate the theme of the poor artists! So the bad guy!, Since a beggar! So can anything! (According to Freud). And there will be nothing! Weak !!!

You know, Artem, your reaction, too, according to Freud: "they are - losers, I'm not!"

In your opinion turns out that well-paid artist=good artist. Personally, I am sure that equality is not automatic, you must watch every particular case.

In one you're right - the artist in his professional life really does not know the constant dependence of people employed. Perhaps it is true that for this to be paid if the material is not unsettled, at least the absence of any warranties.

P.S. And in Sorrento American tourists is expected to market products or even how?

[Posav]

LCR, you are mistaken. Not having another profession artist more dependent on sales and working conditions than, for example, more and designer. If his paintings are not sold, he can simply stack them on the shelf, rather than bend under the climate.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от LCR

And in Sorrento American tourists is expected to market products or even how?

And you can kind of "makeup" as expressed by the artists themselves and sell the already "in the community. Exotic!

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Posav

LCR, you are mistaken. Not having another profession artist more dependent on sales and working conditions than, for example, more and designer. If his paintings are not sold, he can simply stack them on the shelf, rather than bend under the conjuncture.

I understand that the design, possible variations to be a janitor, a mechanic, carpenter, etc. it means to be an artist, and paint portraits it means to be konyunkturschikom?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Veronic, but the question is:
  Artist paints pictures for sale, describes what is sold, that is bought. That only lives, for example.
After all, the grass should be in a green and sky-blue ...
Will he konyukturschikom?

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Veronic, but the question is:
  Artist paints pictures for sale, describes what is sold, that is bought. That only lives, for example.
After all, the grass should be in a green and sky-blue ...
Will he konyukturschikom?

Cyril, let me answer with a quotation from the book Merezhkovsky "Resurrected Gods of Leonardo da Vinci

Quote the words of Leonardo
"I know some artists who shamelessly, for the amusement of the mob, razmalevyvayut picture of their gold and azure, arguing with arrogant impudence, that might work better than other artists, if they pay more. Oh, fools! Who prevents them from doing that something beautiful and proclaim: Here is the picture in such and such a price is cheaper, but this very market, "thus proving that they can work at any price."

Tell me, Kirill, who do you think must draw green grass or blue sky? Name the profession, please.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Veronic

I understand that the design, possible variations to be a janitor, a mechanic, carpenter, etc. it means to be an artist, and paint portraits it means to be konyunkturschikom?

I think that working as a janitor, carpenter, etc. simply easier for the artist, in any case, I repeatedly stated.
Also, when writing custom portraits sometimes obtained confusion with using SMS: arriving in Paris, we met a couple, collectors, Mr. Mi Brosheten, they "took" Russian immediately after their arrival.
So, the portrait of Mrs. Brosheten quite decorative person, has already written Rabin, who arrived in Paris ahead of us, and his portrait, Mr. Brosheten (admittedly, less decorative) ordered Roginsky.
Roginsky hated this case, due to complete lack of money (we have stolen all the 240 or something, dollars, give us the Soviet government at the official rate) agreed.
But portrayed refused to pose, gave the photos. Roginsky, swearing, portraits, we are dogs, soveshenno really been pestering, huddled in the corners ...
In the end, the portrait was painted and transferred to the customer in exchange for unspecified (very modest) fee, and then we learned that the family lovers of fine arts monstrous scandal erupted - a sly Mr. Brosheten gave Misha photos 40 years old, and accordingly the portrait he has turned much younger than his wife (which is not true), which ceased to talk to us. So from the opportunists Roginsky not work - it was his last experience in the genre of a custom portrait