The ups and downs of bovine carcasses

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

The heirs believe that prezhdnyuyu owner and, accordingly, been deceived. Sued.

I can only add that greed has no boundaries ...
Sutin should be in a museum, but not from the heirs of some old woman ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от LCR

The heirs claim that the National Gallery has attempted to buy almost simultaneous with its sale of Ms. Shefner, and that even the price of $ 2 million was understated compared to the market price on the product Soutine, resulting in proof of the fact that at the same time, one still life Soutine was sold for $ 5 million, and a portrait - for $ 6 million. In their view, the cost of painting from the famous series of "bull carcasses" should surpass the cost of each work sold.

Jasmin, heirs saw deception prezhdney owner of the painting.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Jasmin, heirs saw deception prezhdney owner of the picture.

No law was violated, and disgruntled that "little had" always will be ...

[sergejnowo]

here's an ambush, which can run into in a democratic society.
The legal term is called something like "purchase of goods for a fraction of its real price, knowing it, the real price of the goods.
True Story:
You eat at the insistence of his wife, at a flea market in Berlin, at a grandmother, a picture - in a beautiful landscape and the old frame, for 25 euros. The wife liked the frame, which is wonderfully suited to framing the mirror in your hallway.
All legal.
At home his wife asks you to buy soap to wash, dirty, dusty though. In pull out of the picture frame and wash, when it noticed that the frame was covered by the signature: II Shishkin. Image dried and hung on the wall.
All legal.
A month later you come countryman, uncle Vasya and his wife, the wife of his wife tells of a successful purchase. Uncle Vasya laughs and says, Shishkin mean? Well show me. Views and said ba .. exactly Shishkin and probably the original, you know how much this painting is worth?
Oh no, how many. Well, in that amount tysch as 250,000 euros.
And at that moment, when his grandfather would have believed Vasya on the floor, you get virtually under the above legal term.
But ... not caught, not a thief.
Until you have not suffered this picture to a local auction for sale. Auction do advertising through the local newspaper. And the newspaper read the grandson of my grandmother, who sold you the picture. More like a fairy tale, - grandson of the woman, my grandmother's head, his grandson to a lawyer, a lawyer with his grandson to the police.
You will now only your lawyer.
What this will end, depends largely on the judge, lawyers and greed grandmother, grandson and your spouse.

[LCR]

I am interested in the history of the following: whether eksparty provided her a list of sales, in which there was no more than 10 of the highest sales price. They are unlocked and argue that the owner has commissioned an independent examination in any auction house, which is also now rated at 1 million, but if the story incomplete list sogotvetstvuet reality, then ekpertov stigma of a serious gun.

However, even in this case I do not understand what you can accuse the museum: he just got a legal way to sell the painting with a completely clear origin.

[Pavel]

This is the first owner-deception. Again Buy for 88000 now worth several million, with expert-net scam.
The fact that so clearly worked the judicial system guarantees the protection of the owners of valuables (pictures, etc.) from scams of all kinds and promotes the development of collection and therefore indirectly increase the prices of works of art.
Apparently the museum knew about the first owner.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Pavel

This is the first owner-deception. Again Buy for 88000 now worth several million, with expert-net scam.
The fact that so clearly worked the judicial system guarantees the protection of the owners of valuables (pictures, etc.) from scams of all kinds and promotes the development of collection and therefore indirectly increase the prices of works of art

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Óìîðà with you, Pavlik, I swear! You have read more closely. This is the first owner (the heirs filed a lawsuit) bought his Soutine for 88000 dollars, and she sold it ten years later for the 1 million million.

A "Dr. y on" is written - as pronounced, through "y "

[fross]

Following this logic, in any case should not buy at all or one work of artists eg from AI top 10 in terms of growth. As recently sold them for a multiple of smaller amounts. And what if all of their former owners decide that they were deceived?
Saved only by the fact that lawyers are able to achieve such a solution are six-figure sums, and the real threat will be only for the millions of works and even then, probably only in the United States, Britain and other countries with case law.

[Meister]

Сообщение от LCR

They are unlocked and argue that the owner has commissioned an independent examination in any auction house, which is also now rated at 1 million, but if the story incomplete list sogotvetstvuet reality, then ekpertov stigma of a serious gun.

Сообщение от Pavel

Again Buy for 88000 now worth several million, with expert-net scam.

Stop, in the first place, they bought it for 1 million rather than 88 thousand, but say it is a misprint. Secondly, they could submit a list of sales-analogues. Absolutely not mean that they should provide it with all sales of the artist. Admit that tushy, landscapes and portraits are valued differently, and not in comparison with the portraits are not in favor of these "bloody carcasses. Dealers experienced, so if the work was worth at least 2.5 million, horseradish they would have sold it for 2. Result: the old lady could sell 1 million more expensive, and perhaps could not, because to find buyers and purely a deal all the more so the old man is not easy. This is light on shady century. Standard dealer situation.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Meister

Stop, in the first place, they bought it for 1 million rather than 88 thousand, but say it is a misprint. Secondly, they could submit a list of sales-analogues. Absolutely not mean that they should provide it with all sales of the artist. Admit that tushy, landscapes and portraits are valued differently, and not in comparison with the portraits are not in favor of these "bloody carcasses. Dealers experienced, so if the work was worth at least 2.5 million, horseradish they would have sold it for 2. Result: the old lady could sell 1 million more expensive, and perhaps could not, because to find buyers and purely a deal all the more so the old man is not easy. This is light on shady century. Standard dealer situation.

I still think that the experts were supposed to give her a full list of sales in recent years. And then grandma could accept the proposed price or refuse to sell.
As for the comparison of portraits of carcasses also do not agree - the portraits of all genres, in principle, most trudnoprodavaemye, especially for men - well, no? - A carcass is very famous.
But in any case with a gun in front of her did not stand, she decided to sell its Soutine, so thrilled that the court case believe completely unfounded and strongly protest