A good artist - a successful artist?

[DSF]

Dear AlexanderG, thank you for your reply and clarification.

«kogda vy krasite - vy hudoznik, kogda prodaiote - vy diler ili prodavets. Vy ispolniaete obe funktsii i prizrak AlexanderG prisutstvuet. »

This, of course, an interesting conclusion, but I think it's all the same, just a tricky wordplay. Yes, and the seller out of me, quite frankly, horse radish, because I just stupidly sit and wait, when the buyer comes to me. While still coming and it makes me happy. Regards the problem of «razdelit 'esteticheskie i material'nye tsennosti» - surely this is a problem, but I would not say that »dlia vseh hudoznikov mira».

Chto takoe normal'nyi hudoznik?

Normal artist for me, is an artist who thinks first of what his success in painting.

Originally Posted by Semen Semenovich
You, probably, with the artists do not share facets of his work, and the exhibition altogether. Today you do not need. And tomorrow?

Let me quote Renoir: "I'm not going to succumb maniacal conviction, if the picture is better or worse depending on where its put."

Everyone wants to get to the gallery - and the higher the level of the gallery, the more popular artist.

  "Everything was fine with us until the end of the XVIII century, beginning with the lords of the castle until his humble hut. We must see the albums the Trocadero Museum, to get an idea of the strength of these artists, on the strength of their design, which manifests itself in minute detail, down to bolts, to door handles! Oh, they do not work to exhibit in the Salon! »
Just at the moment my biography exhibition activity does not interest me, though as popularity.
While it is possible, if I made a proposal, I will not deny it.

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky
I think the most important exhibition for the artist's successful sales.

Dear Cyril Syzransky. I think that is some sort of relic of the Soviet system, when the condition of promotion of administrative and artistic ladder and access to the feeder, it was necessary to participate in the exhibitions. You could be a ragamuffin and eat beer and cigarette butts, but if you have a folder under his arm was all-Union exhibitions, and with reproductions of your work, it sharply raised your status, and young colleagues began to bow to you for half a mile. Besides, you probably would have been provided with a good order or purchase. This kind of arrows in the quiver Bushman. The more frequently and are more diverse, the steeper the Bushman. Personally, I for "exhibition workday" work is not interesting.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от DSF

Personally, I for "exhibition workday" work is not interesting.

I kept it on a personal exhibition.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

The word "vtyuhat" is for Andrew's descent, the Arbat, the Yalta embankment, etc. I do not know that you have there in Tel Aviv. If you have a gallery selects the best thing and then put in a closet - what garereya lives, because she had to sell. And why, in general, then take it. And "the most of artists, which opened gallery I have not seen anywhere else in the world. There is a unit - and those do not work very well. Because a successful artist bother administration, taxes, negotiations, etc. no time, and did not want to. Time is precious!

1.Protsess sale of any product - it is always "vtyuhat" and no matter where - at the Yalta quay or in a prestigious gallery.

2. Gallery owners, if he does not deal exclusively with one or two artists, usually gaining a lot of work for many artists, and holds them to "ripe" or do not know why ... It should find out how they live, not selling. However, this is for tax, I personally am not interested.

3. I do not know how you do in the city of N, and we have blocks of art, where the gallery belong exclusively to artists, such as Jaffa, in Safed, Jerusalem ... Zayd in these galleries and you'll see. Artists there and working, and immediately sold, some more successfully than others.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от DSF

I think that is some remnant of the Soviet system, when the condition of promotion of administrative and artistic ladder and access to the feeder, it was necessary to participate in the exhibitions

Here I disagree with you.
In Soviet times, the artists participated in the exhibitions is not to "ladder and feeding", but in order to show the result of their work.
Different people have different temperaments and capacity for work, so more involved in almost every show, those who write slowly - not in each. While the desire to participate in a larger number of exhibitions have been at each. Himself a painter because he could not organize a solo exhibition, but for her, as you know, we must work to write. And while you write them and folded for future personal exhibition, one also has a family to feed.
It turns out that you're writing now, to put it, then buy it (or not), and for the FUTURE personalki you beg for it from a museum or get out of the closet, depending on where it is.
Mezhuyev incidentally was the same scheme and at the informal artists. Everyone wanted to show his work as a process, but these shows were not in the public halls, and on the flats.

Сообщение от DSF

You could be a ragamuffin and eat beer and cigarette butts, but if you have a folder under his arm was all-Union exhibitions, and with reproductions of your work, it sharply raised your status, and young colleagues began to bow to you for sex -mile.

I agree that artists are not always dressed as a dandy in London and liked to drink not just beer, but the young colleagues began to bow to you from a distance only if they respect you as an artist, but what you are an artist and what is your forward movement or backward , youth is just seen on these numerous exhibitions. And catalogs nothing to do with. They are, incidentally, is not always released on time. And if released, it only lists the names (at best), and only images printed poorly and only in black and white format.

Сообщение от DSF

Also, you probably would have been provided with a good order or purchase.

Not so simple as it seems. Not all have been purchasing and orders.
Much depended on Comrade. Lehmann (if not mistaken).
But there are undercurrents in any organization.

And by and large much erased from memory and modern people just idealize the past from stories. It is now considered "wild" to perceive, was the norm for that time.
Example: Try it now Luzhkov specify Tsereteli monument to him what height do you know where to Luzhkov?
But comrade. Grishin, crafts and others like them indicate artists "as necessary", the result is th ... oh, and now everything is frowning on "socialist realism" and repudiate him like the plague.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Jasmin

1.Protsess sale of any product - it is always "vtyuhat" and no matter where - at the Yalta quay or in a prestigious gallery.

Why do you think so?

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от DSF

Let me quote Renoir: "I'm not going to succumb maniacal conviction, if the picture is better or worse depending on where its put.»

I would like to see. that such a magnificent Renoir said, after his work (and other Impressionists), at the Salon hung in a bad spot for viewing. And anyway, they were successful. If I'm not mistaken, it was a salon in 1868.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от LCR

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Message from Jasmin
1.Protsess sale of any product - it is always "vtyuhat" and no matter where - at the Yalta quay or in a prestigious gallery.


Why do you think so?

Trade, buy-sell - to me that something is not quite respectable, although necessary in everyday life ... For example, I hate shopping, never stop for long in supermarkets and shops. And if you own something to sell (and only their pictures), then, although I am glad obtained Groshik, but still feeling kind of uncomfortable ...

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от DSF

Oh, they do not work to exhibit in the Salon! »

Certainly standing artist does not work. to somewhere exhibit. For him his job (though, like any professional) - awareness (and for the artist, sometimes, and unconscious) need. Although, of course, all were artists sought to get to the Paris Salon.

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Сообщение от Jasmin

1.Protsess sale of any commodity - it is always "vtyuhat" and no matter where - at the Yalta quay or in a prestigious gallery.

Here I can tell you, exclusively, posochuvsvovat. Apparently you have it all all vtyuhivayut and you got used to it

Сообщение от Jasmin

2. Gallery owners, if he does not deal exclusively with one or two artists, usually gaining a lot of work for many artists, and holds them to "ripe" or do not know why ... It should find out how they live, not selling. However, this is for tax, I personally am not interested.

And here it is clear that you absolutely do not know the work of gallery owners. Again, you're out of luck. He can not work with one or two artists (then 1.2 is a gallery of artists). It seems to me, this gallery owners - is preaching a particular style or direction. And working with those artists who are close to him in spirit, the level of his understanding of painting, etc. Artist and galereist are employed, they make common cause, which promotes galereist.

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Сообщение от Jasmin

sale, buy-sell - to me that something is not quite respectable,

This is not quite respectable, because it involves you with the word "vtyuhat.

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Сообщение от DSF

Personally, I for "exhibition workday" work is not interesting.

Yes, actually, not. Because the number of workdays for the exhibition, no one writes. Exhibition - an opportunity to show what made the artist for a certain period of time. In fact, even the artist. when he sees his work in the exhibition, on the other looks at them. In the studio, quite often, "zamylivaetsya eye. For solo exhibitions need artists more than gareree.

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Сообщение от dedulya37

And by and large much erased from memory and modern people just idealize the past from stories. It is now considered "wild" to perceive, was the norm for that time.
Example: Try it now Luzhkov specify Tsereteli monument to him what height do you know where to Luzhkov?
But comrade. Grishin, crafts and others like them indicate artists "as necessary", the result is th ... oh, and now everything is frowning on "socialist realism" and repudiate him like the plague.

I read your answers and for all could subscribe, but here disagree. God be with them - Luzhkov and Tsereteli, although I think that Luzhkov could say what he wants - either way. A Zurab - bungled (as usual). As for "socialist realism", then I personally do not repudiate, and, even more so, without wincing. There is a stunning work of that time and outstanding artists. Russia (read as Ukraine and other republics (did not want to offend)) has always been renowned talents, and the period of socialist realism, is no exception. It is not that important, and how!

[Jasmin]

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you there

What does this mean - "you have there? Explain pyzhalusta ...

And here it is clear that you absolutely do not know the work of gallery owners. Again, you're out of luck. He can not work with one or two artists (then 1.2 is a gallery of artists). It seems to me, this gallery owners - is preaching a particular style or direction. And working with those artists who are close to him in spirit, the level of his understanding of painting, etc. Artist and galereist are employed, they make common cause, which promotes galereist.

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We see that you not only do not know the work of gallery owners in prontsipe, because they work in different ways: who - with one or two people who - with the group.
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  And yet, and "La-la divorce" - apt expression of one member of the forum as an artist ... Solid amorphous chatter, and even with boorish outbursts!

[SergeiSK]

Eternal question - who is selling, which sells, who is supposed to do, someone cheaper ... Here's how you all think someone cheaper - the artist or the dealer?
At the guard!