Collectors

[Ninni]

Begins to form a new collection of not too extensive (not quite exact definition but still ...) the choice to date - the last talent, it seems to me a little boring. Especially without the huge capital. Much strongly attracts, captures and inspires the search for new and genuine talent. Moreover - to create entirely new collection, to be able to get a lot of pleasant emotions - because the process of searching quite captures, expands the horizons of spiritual perfection.
  Communicating with the artist and the understanding of his attitude is like looking at the world of strange eyes, savoring the different views, contrasting beliefs and manifestations of creativity and insight into it - I think it is wonderful.
  If the collector is the sense of taste, the ability not to miss the talent, the property to look at the desired object from different positions - he gets more than decent collection but if he does not expect its scope - that is to start the search of people who will help him in this difficult but beautiful process.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Ninni

Moreover, without a huge capital. Much strongly attracts, captures and inspires the search for new and genuine talent.

In this case we can speak only a personal meeting, pursue only aesthetic purposes, oformitelstkie, taste. Investment potential of such a meeting will not have - guess "uncut diamonds was" practically impossible.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Vladimir

In this case we can speak only a personal meeting, pursue only aesthetic purposes, oformitelstkie, taste. Investment potential of such a meeting will not have - guess "uncut diamonds was" practically impossible.

Volodya, that you seriously think that the Shchukin and Morozov, Chudnovsky and Kostaki Talochkin and Nutovich, Rusanov Ershov bought work
a) based on the ratings - which then - perhaps fortunately - and there was
b) already thinking about how to sell and get a good welded?

Not long ago, Igor Sanovich - a collection which is a very large amount of money - said to me (we were talking about one artist, whose paintings he had not): "Maybe I'm mistaken, the most important thing and did not notice ...". The important word here is "I".

The tendency to portfolio investments in works of art in the West, a fairly recent phenomenon, previously purchased by collectors and fans of the picture, either because they like them, or - as in the history of Riabouchinsky, which I have already written - they felt the significance of the artist, and to reassure people who still operate in this manner, it should be noted that the assembly of these collectors, not feared the risk of acquired quite an incredible value

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от LCR

Volodya, that you seriously think that the Shchukin and Morozov, Chudnovsky and Kostaki Talochkin and Nutovich, Rusanov Ershov bought work
a) based on the ratings - which then - perhaps fortunately - and there was
b) already thinking about how to sell, and get a good welded?

No, of course, I do not think so. By the way, the company names are very heterogeneous. Not all of these were visionaries, able to go on Izmaylovo fair to go out with a masterpiece. Besides, it came from vastly different wealth (Riabushinskii and Talochkin) and different motivations (Morozov and Costacis). A number of them were quite up to the investment component of light bulbs - for them it was pure enterteynment. They could have the same money with gypsies absent from or pictures to buy. Rational person behave in this way can not afford. It can not go on the market a wide nonsense, armed with the logic of "like-dislike. Quickly burned and all disappointed. And just as a decoration to buy - but for God's sake, why not. I've been walking when Binding in Izmailovo - 90%of orders - posters of movie stars, souvenir "Impressionists" and tapestries framed as if from the Louvre. I like people and good
And our job - to give good advice. One and the same amount a person can spend on the heels of young artists and greyhounds or one good Vechtomov. So it's better buys Vechtomov, they should at least know about this option, rather than posing as "Shchukin. Shchukin, remember, had no more such visionary inspiration after emigration. If I do not confuse

Abramovich, by the way, can also pozvodit a feed hundreds of young artists, of whom probably grow Basquiat, Haring and Tracey Emin. But why buy something artists with proven investment potential. Can Shchukin - this is the next level?

And, sorry, our grandchildren will also be pleased if my grandfather bought things right, and not just an apartment decorated. Suppose that you personally value is not important, but think something should be There is a golden rule that must be acquired by a thing like. I think the idea is not buzuprechna. Is important that she liked more children and grandchildren. So grow up - I will be sure to follow the tastes, not to wonder why the young like Hirst

[LCR]

Сообщение от Vladimir

By the way, the company names are very heterogeneous. Not all of these were visionaries, able to go on Izmaylovo fair to go out with a masterpiece. Besides, it came from vastly different wealth (Riabushinskii and Talochkin) and different motivations (Morozov and Costacis).

That's right, I just tried to show that these people of different times, different social layers, different income and different characters united by one thing - they were buying art, which believed.

Сообщение от Vladimir

And just as a decoration to buy - but for God's sake, why not. I've been walking when Binding in Izmailovo - 90%of orders - posters of movie stars, souvenir "Impressionists" and tapestries framed as if from the Louvre. I like people and good
And our job - to give good advice. One and the same amount a person can spend on the heels of young artists and greyhounds or one good Vechtomov. So it's better buys Vechtomov, they should at least know about this option, rather than posing as "Shchukin.

You raise several issues.
First of all, why, saying "for decoration", you are sending Circadian BP rhythm as potential buyers of art in Izmailovo (I was not there with the famous exhibition in the open air, 74-year, but I think that this is Moscow's equivalent of today's Montmartre?)?
Is everyone likes a souvenir Impressionists, or tapestries, or monstrous kitsch Montmartre - well, sort of hung out in the neighborhood "Russian Klimt? Is this fatal? But what about the grandchildren, who like Hirst? Hirst something - today and tomorrow's many - in Izmailovo not find for him to go to the major galleries.

Then, who will seek out tomorrow Vechtomov? Somebody started to buy them, quote did not come from the air. I think this is where the benefit of your enlightened councils would be difficult to overestimate.

Сообщение от Vladimir

Shchukin, remember, had no more such visionary inspiration after emigration. If I did not confuse

Of all the collectors, like those about whom I know from books or hearsay, and those with whom they know personally, Felix Vishnevsky was the only one who resumed collecting activities, after he had taken away his collection. I think psychologically it is very clear. If I do not confuse

Сообщение от Vladimir

Abramovich, incidentally, can also pozvodit a feed hundreds of young artists, of whom probably grow Basquiat, Haring and Tracey Emin. But why buy something artists with proven investment potential. Can Shchukin - this is the next level?

I would have turned your remark a slightly different way: just let Abramovich buys. I have absolutely nothing against him I do not have, but the fact that from him not fail even if he can not bail out of the picture had bought paid mad money
In some of the articles translated by me saying that modern art always overestimated in relation to the old, and the meaning of utterances was that should not be afraid to buy the actual art on a very prices.
Even then I asked the question: what happens at a time when contemporary art ceases to be a modern and - continue the logic - is old? Jasper Johns is worth more Rubens - in my opinion, this madness, but it does not matter. What will happen when there were dozens, hundreds of new Jones (which you collectors, incidentally, missed buying a reliable Vechtomov)? The question remains open. In my opinion, buy already fully promoted artists at the maximum price - a very risky operation that should be left Abramovich

Сообщение от Vladimir

And, sorry, our grandchildren will also be pleased if my grandfather bought things right, and not just an apartment decorated. Suppose that you personally value is not important, but think something should be There is a golden rule that must be acquired by a thing like. I think the idea is not buzuprechna. Is important that she liked more children and grandchildren. So grow up - I will be sure to follow the tastes, not to wonder why the young like Hirst

What do you mean, the value is unimportant? Rauschenberg once worth $ 100 - when he paid a taxi driver his job. Hopefully, the grandchildren of a taxi driver for his grandfather did not complain: p
Between the material value of paintings and pleasure that you feel from it, there is no antinomy, even though there is no automatic matching. You can buy cheaply now, which is very pleased - and give their grandchildren the opportunity to buy a mansion on Rublovka.
Can be expensive to buy, hoping to resell more expensive - and lose the last pants.
This is where all our hopes on you - you prisovetuete how to spend their money wisely and pleasure.

[dedulya37]

Well, LCR, you are a fighter! Thank you!

[fross]

Well, now once again becoming interesting! And it has plates on the forum and start trading.
The site has a section private ads - why not put all there? And so it flooded and then look for interesting messages.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от LCR

between the material value of paintings and pleasure that you feel from it, there is no antinomy, even though there is no automatic matching.

If resources are not infinite, then the purchase of expensive items is a special thrill. But this is so, digression.

Dear LCR, finally I found a man who was on exhibition in Izmailovo. I work nearby, but the photos can not navigate the place - where are all the same was "showing art in the open air? I'll describe today's disposition. There is a metro station "Izmailovskaya. When viewed from the center, then left - city, street Pervomayskaya. And the right - wood. So where, exactly, was this show on which side (judging by the photos in the forest)?

[Ninni]

Сообщение от Vladimir

In this case we can speak only a personal meeting, pursue only aesthetic purposes, oformitelstkie, taste. Investment potential of such a meeting will not have - guess "uncut diamonds was" practically impossible.

Correct "diamond negraneny" will be difficult in any case. -If there were a precise instructions for the detection of innovators
- Art market collapsed, would.
If we talk about modern art (which will be tomorrow is not today) - someone invests 1000000, someone 100000 and
  unknown - whose collection will be on the pinnacle of success. Principles of research and investments are different.
It must be a collector of a certain vision of the innovator that agree very, very rare (if not more),
  But instinct talent - an invaluable quality and are much more common.
There are examples of major investment - when the stores are hammered paintings by contemporary artists of which 90%--
Commercial trash with no hint of creativity.
If you weed out those 90%of useless investments - will be released about what should be-collection does not require too large
investments.
I repeat - I'm talking about contemporary art.

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Сообщение от LCR

Are you seriously think that the Shchukin and Morozov, Chudnovsky and Kostaki Talochkin and Nutovich, Rusanov Ershov bought work
a) based on the ratings - which then - perhaps fortunately - and there was
b) already thinking about how to sell and get a good welded?

Inestimable opinion!
Always be sure that serious collections can not rely solely on the ratings.
Pictures are going to "bead of beads" rather than the principle - grabbed all that glitters - and fall to the diamonds.
Although this is a matter of taste and opinion ...

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Сообщение от iosif

Ninni
I also believe that much more interesting to seek out talent himself. In the worst case - to decorate the walls, than to like. At best - go forward, ie pull out of oblivion, the vacuum, the new Master. And it is not only about profits. Kaif of ownership is unlikely that anyone will dispute.

Of course THANK

[iosif]

Ninni
I also believe that much more interesting to seek out talent himself. In the worst case - to decorate the walls, than to like. At best - go forward, ie pull out of oblivion, the vacuum, the new Master. And it is not only about profits. Kaif of ownership is unlikely that anyone will dispute.