Contemporary art in museums

[LCR]

Сообщение от Meister

[B]I think before you speak like that, you should look at the work before the mid-sixties, and then make their opinion ..

That's really someone who, as you, Master, be ashamed to say that! Have you forgotten the first vstechu your main character with a sort of young, but full of promise, a poet?

"- And you, what, my poems do not like? - Curiously asked
Ivan.
      - Really hate.
      - And what you read?
      - No, I did not read your poetry! - Nervously exclaimed the visitor.
      - And how do you say?
      - Well, what of it - the guest replied, - as if I had not read the other? "

But it's not very fair on my part, I'm so, so that annoy you

But seriously, Do you think, I did not see Zvereva "until the mid 60-ies"?
I do not like his work, either before or after the 60's, empty your Zverev.
I can not say that he had no talent, but talent without taste, without culture, without some kind of spiritual nobility, too, not that. That's it, sir - and I did not swear, do not forget that you are on probation ))))))

[Meister]

LCR, that you have seen, I do not doubt), I suggested that Ninni do, because it seemed to me that she saw only a "sponge bow" ...

And what we have in taste is not all the same, even the floor Well well - gives rise to discussion)) but still called an empty shell ... Zvereva not be treated as anything, but it was revoked because of it exactly wrong)), as the saying goes, " Each artist may offend ")))
P.s. I thought the term had ended)

[Ninni]

Сообщение от Meister

LCR, that you have seen, I do not doubt), I suggested that Ninni do, because it seemed to me that she saw only " sponges bow "...

And what we have in taste is not all the same, even the floor Well well - gives rise to discussion)) but still called an empty shell ... Zvereva not be treated as anything, but it was revoked because of it exactly wrong)), as the saying goes, " Each artist may offend ")))
P.s. I thought the term has ended)

You are mistaken - I could see not only sponges with a bow, though it was, would be sufficient. I can not squeeze out of a concern to Zverev, even if you want to find him something worthwhile.
Believe me - Talent is hard to disguise - he protsarapyvaetsya even in the most unsuccessful works and does not require poritsateley and defenders.
  Talent said, whispering, singing, shouting, screaming ...... all anything - but not silent.

"Each artist may offend" - this is true but it is hardly possible to drown.

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Сообщение от LCR

Here's how interesting it turns out - none of this trio, I do not feel great. Modigliani - salon artist to sensitive daughters of wealthy parents, well, and the rest - they were very gifted, but not in painting, but in a completely different field
should be added. Speaking about the "nobility of soul", I was not meant, as if to say, the human quality of life. I said - it's hard to explain - the nobility of painting, in the professional sense. Here, I do not know, of course I wrote, but in the end, it does not matter.

Facing a sincere admiration for the painting, would be excluded from this list Modigliani and be forgiven, and salons and much more.
Nobility in painting - a rare, stunning quality. I thought about it no one speaks.

[Selene]

What an interesting discussion here at you ... Recently sluchyno on "Culture" came across a comment Yelena Gagarina, as an example of which resulted in some well-known art critic, who purchased the painting by Picasso and tried to understand the genius of the artist. Poor taken the time, especially for that on a duty to look at the picture, and the creativity of the artist connoisseur actively disliked, art even cried, looking at a masterpiece. Unfortunately, Gagarin did not say how it all ended.
By the way, I like Zverev. Remembered, does not leave indifferent.

[Meister]

LCR, we have already discussed it. but still again. Why do not you think of Picasso and Dali's great artists?

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от LCR

but talent without taste, without culture, without some kind of spiritual nobility, too, is not it.

It is difficult not to agree, when exactly correct. But in practice? How many spiritual nobility was Picasso? Or Modigliani? Or Dali? All in the New Testament understanding - rare rascals

[Konstantin]

And but Nemukhin - cool and nainteresneyshy people in communication. What is he at home with relatives, do not know. Whenever need to include a voice recorder, so many stories and fables.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Vladimir

It is difficult not to agree, when correctly so. But in practice? How many spiritual nobility was Picasso? Or Modigliani? Or Dali? All in the New Testament understanding - rare rascals

Here's how interesting it turns out - none of this trio, I do not feel great. Modigliani - salon artist to sensitive daughters of wealthy parents, well, and the rest - they were very gifted, but not in painting, but in a completely different field

To return to Zverev - again in my opinion - the myth of the brilliant work that can not be seen, alas, does not correspond to reality. In principle, the collection of that time I knew well, a good Zvereva not seen never had. But you are right, his early works are not as nasty as the later.

All the critics session at the finish - do not want to be the subject of universal scorn


No, I must add. Speaking about the "nobility of soul", I was not meant, as if to say, the human quality of life - Anatoly Zverev was pretty good man, and I often saw him and get along very. I said - it's hard to explain - the nobility of painting, in the professional sense. Here, I do not know, of course I wrote, but in the end, it does not matter.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от LCR

Modigliani - salon artist to sensitive daughters of wealthy parents,

too, he was a great dunce, pardon moi, for salon artist. Exporter artist should live in luxury, the health monitor and Pont build Dali definitely a salon - to say nothing, and Picasso Stebaev times already over the simpletons, hungry to succeed. But Modigliani, I think, not of this breed.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Vladimir

too, he was a great dunce, pardon moi, for the artist's salon. Exporter artist should live in luxury, the health monitor and Pont build Dali definitely a salon - to say nothing, and Picasso Stebaev times already over the simpletons, hungry to succeed. But Modigliani, I think, not of this breed.

I do not mean that. Modigliani, of course, not Klimt (ya-ya-yo, that ща will! You do not think I do something I love Klimt!). If I may say so, Modigliani - not salon artist and bohemian. But his art - interior ))))))))

Dali - also not a salon. You know, seeing the paintings of Dali, I always think about the charlatans (and Italian, for some reason) who sold some miraculous lapping to restore hair, or the elixir that promotes love joys - to 20-30-ies .. of course, without anhronizmov - or circus jugglers - maybe that Mann has influenced me?

A Picasso - is such a large stock treder.

Well, in general it is difficult to explain why I do not consider them real artists. Be lenient to an elderly woman, tormented seltzer, a mini-oligarch, who I задолбал and even all sorts of things: p