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Старый 06.04.2009, 23:23 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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   Here are a few self-portraits.

   Somov - the great Russian artist. Each portrait of his work - this, at least, a work of art with a capital letter. His self-portraits - is another story altogether. Imagine that he could write such a vapid self-portrait, I can not. And most importantly, why? Look closely at his work - there is a riddle game, irony, disorderly conduct, in the end. Where in this portrait puzzle game, irony? Why would he suddenly change itself in a single self-portrait?



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on the approval of the seller, this - the last self-portrait intravital Konstantin Andreevich Somov (no examination). Can you believe this? Signed - Cyrillic: "K. Somov" - and this is the main argument of opponents of the authenticity of the portrait. However, cardboard, soil and manner of writing is very similar to the manner of the great romance - this is in the oral consultation
Yes, it looks like. Look in the book of EV, Zhuravleva, Konstantin Somov, "Moscow" Art "1980.V end of the two self-portrait, 28 g. and 34 (in the mirror). It seems that other self-portraits, he also made "through the mirror, as if he was looking at another person (ie, using the second mirror), so sometimes the artist does seem to be more happened, because when we look directly, then because of specular see a little bit wrong ... Portrait of 28 g. (In the book) a young, but in the same turn and the entire left lower cheek and mustache fit, and a portrait of 34 g. already with the bald forehead, but there is visible cheek with the same, but the effort is folded slightly down. And the reception lighting laying shadows on the profile vyudu one, so it was easier to achieve the similarity, because uncomfortable draw ... The book also stated that there is a self-portrait, whose whereabouts are unknown.

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from one of his last self-portraits.
Self-portrait in a mirror. 1928, paper, pastel, 37.2x26.8
Ashmolean Museum, Oxford
Zhuravleva mentions it, but then lists a few more, there is a portrait of a pince-nez and another in a square mirror with a still life of things on the table, 34g.Umer KA Somov 6 May 1939. 70 th year of life. Perhaps he looked so. Signed and must be in Cyrillic, and it is normal modestly staged, as it was then adopted, without a bulging ...



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  Maybe he looked like this.
                                                                                                                             Perhaps he had looked. Who knows? But what happened exactly, so that it is not represented, nor myself, nor anyone, it might be.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   "He was ... a model of a great master, who, with great talent, thought it necessary to work very hard on its every thing, seeking perfection technology and the most expressive transfer their inner feelings."
                                                                                                                                                                   AP Ostroumova - Lebedev
                                                                                                              Do not hurt Konstantin Andreevich!





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em? But what happened exactly, so that he is not represented, nor myself, nor anyone, then, neither was.
On the small picture it looks like it does not matter, it is too dark. But at high magnifications shows that with the painting all right, she is very good, or daub, no errors, all colors are harmonious and tastefully laid. Between the portrait of 28 g. and 34 g. (y Zhuravleva) passed 10 years and see how he had aged. But it was another 5 years and he had aged more ... I think he wanted to impress themselves and so, look carefully at the big increase - a good painting, and the expression in the eye area seem.



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28 g between the portrait. and 34 g. (y Zhuravleva) passed 10 years and see how he had aged. But it was another 5 years and he had aged more ... I think he wanted to impress themselves and so ,...
           Maybe Somov had plastic surgery? Interestingly, at the time they have done or not? Who knows? : confused:



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"He was ... a model of a great master, who, with great talent, thought it necessary to work very hard on each of his thing, seeking perfection technology and the most expressive transfer their inner feelings."
AP Ostroumova - Lebedev
Do not hurt Konstantin!
I fully agree with A.P.Ostroumovoy-Lebedeva, but there is another view :..." known to us of this time Somov (1925-1939 (EA) indicates that the artist has not lost his talent and not exhausted their vozmozhnostey.Odnako his works became more prosaic skuchnee.Za abroad and his work has lost the most significant feature of the specific jokes, but tell him a kind of romance and poetry, the unique spicy aromat.Somov remains a good artist, but ceased to be "Somov "..."
  From the book Constantine Somov.avt: Irina Pruzhan.Moskva 1972.g. (page 109).
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On the subject (as an option).
1.K.A. Somov. Portrait MV Braykevicha. 1934. B., pencil, sanguine. 251h187. Museum Eshmolean. Oxford
2.K.A.Somov? . Self?
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MV Braykevich.Izvestny collector, a close friend of Konstantin Somov.
By topic: Treasures engineer Braykevicha http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...;postcount=146
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I fully agree with A.P.Ostroumovoy-Lebedeva, but there is another view :..." known to us of this time Somov (1925-1939 (EA) indicates that the artist has not lost his talent and not exhausted their vozmozhnostey.Odnako his works became more prosaic skuchnee.Za abroad and his work has lost the most significant feature of the specific jokes, but tell him to sort of romance and poetry, the unique spicy aromat.Somov remains a good artist, but has ceased to be " Somov "..."
  From the book Constantine Somov.avt: Irina Pruzhan.Moskva 1972.g. (page 109).
             Understand, Eugene, on ideological assumptions that time the artist, who went abroad, could not take place on foreign soil. About these artists either did not want to know or do not know. I wonder how many works of foreign Luba period saw Irina Pruzhany? I think not many. Even if you saw hardly had the opportunity to be sincere in their judgments. I prefer to believe unbiased art critics, but his eyes and the people who witnessed the creative life of the Luba abroad. It is known that Konstantin throughout his life maintained a demanding and regretted the wasted held each day, although these days, I think he was not much, because artist left behind a huge musical legacy.
      Eugene, I do not really understand how you can compare the two portraits, executed in different techniques. This portrait may not be the work of Luba, simply because there is no poetry. Pushkin wrote poems in different genres, but it's always Pushkin. Even when it was a squib. So always Somov Somov. Even when it is a portrait in three quarters.



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Many thanks to everyone who takes part in the debate initiated by me.
I consider it necessary to complement my original post some details associated with this picture. They may have something to clarify and distinguished colleagues will make any more comments.
Painting - without a frame and stretcher, oil on canvas, of course. Canvas size - 53h61; image size - 44h53. Along the perimeter of the canvas - the marks of the nails, the characteristic "residual" tension and straight folds in the places where the fits to the edges of the canvas stretcher. The paint layer - dense, with more than a dozen horizontal cracking (cracelures in the usual sense, it is not called), clearly acting on a break. The picture is damaged: in the lower left corner, and partly to the left edge of the image crumbled to the ground-based paint because of the inflection point (I think the picture was lying in a foot, and angle slightly favored the perimeter of the foot). Above, on either side of the head depicted a character (in the forehead and neck) - Two rough cutting holes approximately 2 and 3 mm. That have arisen, no doubt because of the attempts to erase the inscription on the back of the canvas. The inscription was made by something blue (in indelible ink?), Not read, can be very difficult to disassemble only the individual letters (Cyrillic, the printed pattern) - "P. FTAP ... L ... ", but for the reliability of a reading, I can not answer. The reverse side of the canvas - "izabellinogo color, with dark transverse trace in the upper part of the removal of the notorious inscription, a few dark spots and stands out as the watermark, outline of the figure. According to preliminary estimates of specialists, with whom I consulted, the picture without ponovleny, could be written in 20-40 years., Signature - is done on a dry layer, but, as claimed, not later than the origin.
In addition to the current debate raises questions: what is the essence of the artist's conception (if it is not Somov) - to write the thing, really, so unlike the somovskuyu, and to make his signature? If it was the desire to write a fake, then why the forger did not show a minimum of creativity or, at least, meticulous craftsmen to the manner, compositions, etc., to bring its work to somovskoy? And in general - whether forged Somov painting during his lifetime and in the first decade after the death?
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can not be the work of Luba, simply because there is no poetry. Pushkin wrote poems in different genres, but it's always Pushkin. Even when it was a squib.
Dear Tjutchev, about poetry is clear about Pushkin, too, but so far there is no argument that this is not the work of Konstantin Somov.



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Actually, you can apply to examination in the laboratory at the Interior Ministry. There is a forensic technology (comparative), in which experts at may make such examination. Precedents already est.Ya them chital.Kazhetsya was carried out in such a way examination of the sculptural portrait of Faberge and his portrait of Serov (I may be mistaken). And not only!



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