Good ownership

[Евгений]

Сообщение от OlgaV

Before you give advice on legal issues

I just made a reference to the lawyer's opinion on this issue.

[Glasha]

Сообщение от LCR

Buying work, Shem, ask the seller that he gave you a certificate of authenticity and document that the job you had purchased.

With certificate of authenticity all clear; about a document that records the fact of purchase: if I buy from a private person, too, to ask him? and as he wrote - in a free form?

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Glasha

if I buy from a private person, too, to ask him? and as he wrote - in a free form?

Perhaps this free form:
I'm such a such and such, confirm that such a work of a certain author is transferred to the ownership of such a man. Number, signature. On the money - not a word.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Glasha

The certificate of authenticity all clear; about a document that records the fact of purchase: if I buy from a private person, too, to ask him? and as he wrote - in a free form?

How to do it in Russia, I honestly do not know. In the galleries probably have their own form. If the seller - a private person, you can ask him to make a photocopy of his identity card and write your text on this photocopy.

[Glasha]

Сообщение от OlgaV

While Russia's law can and do.

Once dispensed with this ...

Сообщение от OlgaV

It needs to prove not in all cases.

but, apparently, such incidents still happen, writes Seema.

I decided to connect to the question - why not ask more experienced colleagues?

Why all thanks!

[Glasha]

Here is what Sima:

Сообщение от Sima

And then confronted with the fact that it is impossible to insure. Ie then take the money, but one kind soul said that in case the insured event without this paper did not give

that is, without this paper as insured accident compensation will not be, as I understand.
Or "good soul" was not right?

[Glasha]

Сообщение от OlgaV

Only a quotation from some other topics.

?
Olya, honestly, do not understand

This quote from the very first posts on this topic.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Sim

Dear forumlyane! Share your experiences, how to formalize the "Fair vledenie." What are my options?
I appeal to those who sell and those who buy. And that there should be written? And then faced with the fact that it is impossible to insure. Ie then take the money, but one kind soul said that in case the insured event without this paper did not give. Not to mention the export authorization (if no flanking maneuvers).

Olya, I quote the full text of the first message Sims. Maybe she used the term "good vledenie" not quite right, I do not know.

In any case, it seems to me that it is not (or not only) on the ownership of the statute of limitations, because the more she asked (message 3):

Сообщение от Sim

[B]paper does not know the name. But it affirms "it". Not all "good sellers"-jur. person - give a paper check or something for obvious fiscal reasons. Not to mention individuals. And what? (auktsiony. of course. give)

and further (post 5):

Сообщение от Sim

Since the dealer or gallery should be whether the buyer's request to give the paper that's the point?
And if somehow transparent, that is a collection of the first generation and the "possession during the" talk weird? And "prescription" - is how much?

We are talking about a document confirming that a work of art acquired legally (purchase, donation).

I am quite sure that you are right in saying that Russia's laws such paper does not necessarily draw.

But let us imagine a few specific situations:

a) You have decided to put the thing you purchased on any foreign auction. Relatively roguish McDougall'ov not answer, though perhaps some of the incidents in the recent past them something and have taught, but the auction houses who value their reputation will certainly ask you to submit any proof of your ownership of this thing;

b) the artist who sold you your job, has died. Indelicate heirs may contest your rights to work, and you will need to somehow prove that it was not stolen from the shop - if, contrary to expectation, the artist that did not live in Russia, you absolutely need documentary evidence of your property (as I have already written , a text written on a photocopy of identity card is sufficient).

In my opinion, have these two examples is enough to understand that it is better to have a paper confirming VYashi right thing, than not have it, the more that get it should be relatively easy, and keep and even more so - to eat, she does not ask and takes up little space

I might add that recently a lot of people who bought in time for Roginsky work, but without documentary podtverdzhdeniya ownership of them, treated me to send them a confirmation that I certainly did.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от LCR

I might add that recently a lot of people who bought in time for Roginsky work, but without documentary podtverdzhdeniya ownership of them, treated me to send them a confirmation that I am, of course and did.

Absolutely the same situation.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Sima

just remembered. where I had heard this expression - remember the story (with Titian or something) from a foreign museum? He then has exhibited.

You remember the story of Mr. Longvinenko and Titian.
But it was all different.
He asked the court to demand recognition as a bona fide purchaser.

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Сообщение от OlgaV

Cyril and Sima already confirmed this in my theme. In my opinion, they just have fun ...

I do not know how Seema, but I am not entertained. What do you think so? Where you see something in my posts like fun.
Yes, I'll barely hinted at the doubtful sketch VR, but did so only to delicately so as not to upset your friends are.
Maybe you took my hints for games?