Good ownership

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Dear forumlyane! Share your experiences, how to formalize the "Fair vledenie." What are my options?
I appeal to those who sell and those who buy. And that there should be written? And then faced with the fact that it is impossible to insure. Ie then take the money, but one kind soul said that in case the insured event without this paper did not give. Not to mention the export authorization (if no flanking maneuvers).

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Сообщение от Sima

without this paper

A paper so-called "bona fide possession"?
For the first time all I hear ...
Dark I ... : shy:

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Cyril Syzransky, the paper does not know the name. But it affirms "it". Not all "good sellers"-jur. person - give a paper check or something for obvious fiscal reasons. Not to mention individuals. And what? (auktsiony. of course. give)

[Glasha]

Here is what Sima:

Сообщение от Sima

And then confronted with the fact that it is impossible to insure. Ie then take the money, but one kind soul said that in case the insured event without this paper did not give

that is, without this paper as insured accident compensation will not be, as I understand.
Or "good soul" was not right?

[Glasha]

Сообщение от OlgaV

Only a quotation from some other topics.

?
Olya, honestly, do not understand

This quote from the very first posts on this topic.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Sim

Dear forumlyane! Share your experiences, how to formalize the "Fair vledenie." What are my options?
I appeal to those who sell and those who buy. And that there should be written? And then faced with the fact that it is impossible to insure. Ie then take the money, but one kind soul said that in case the insured event without this paper did not give. Not to mention the export authorization (if no flanking maneuvers).

Olya, I quote the full text of the first message Sims. Maybe she used the term "good vledenie" not quite right, I do not know.

In any case, it seems to me that it is not (or not only) on the ownership of the statute of limitations, because the more she asked (message 3):

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[B]paper does not know the name. But it affirms "it". Not all "good sellers"-jur. person - give a paper check or something for obvious fiscal reasons. Not to mention individuals. And what? (auktsiony. of course. give)

and further (post 5):

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Since the dealer or gallery should be whether the buyer's request to give the paper that's the point?
And if somehow transparent, that is a collection of the first generation and the "possession during the" talk weird? And "prescription" - is how much?

We are talking about a document confirming that a work of art acquired legally (purchase, donation).

I am quite sure that you are right in saying that Russia's laws such paper does not necessarily draw.

But let us imagine a few specific situations:

a) You have decided to put the thing you purchased on any foreign auction. Relatively roguish McDougall'ov not answer, though perhaps some of the incidents in the recent past them something and have taught, but the auction houses who value their reputation will certainly ask you to submit any proof of your ownership of this thing;

b) the artist who sold you your job, has died. Indelicate heirs may contest your rights to work, and you will need to somehow prove that it was not stolen from the shop - if, contrary to expectation, the artist that did not live in Russia, you absolutely need documentary evidence of your property (as I have already written , a text written on a photocopy of identity card is sufficient).

In my opinion, have these two examples is enough to understand that it is better to have a paper confirming VYashi right thing, than not have it, the more that get it should be relatively easy, and keep and even more so - to eat, she does not ask and takes up little space

I might add that recently a lot of people who bought in time for Roginsky work, but without documentary podtverdzhdeniya ownership of them, treated me to send them a confirmation that I certainly did.

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Сообщение от LCR

I might add that recently a lot of people who bought in time for Roginsky work, but without documentary podtverdzhdeniya ownership of them, treated me to send them a confirmation that I am, of course and did.

Absolutely the same situation.

[voloviks]

Сообщение от OlgaV

Let's not think of any situations! Because, Cyril and Sima already confirmed this in my theme. In my opinion, they just have fun ... To you this has nothing to do. If you have any questions - you know how to find me, or find another lawyer.

OlgaV, different situations arise, to provide all possible. I think that Sim, the term "bona fide possession" applied as an exhaustive heart of the matter. In my opinion, a contract of sale of artistic works in this case would be sufficient proof of good possession.

[Serg987]

Сообщение от Sim

And then faced with the fact that it is impossible to insure. Ie then take the money, but one kind soul said that in case the insured event without this paper did not give.

I do not know how, at the foreign, but our insurance vision. Maybe not in the subject, but an example from his personal life. When the truck blew me a sign, I did not demand money from the driver, and filling out an accident, turned to his insurance company for reimbursement CMTPL. Experts arrived, photographed, found the damage. A package I came for the money, in this very large UK I refused and demanded proof of my own label. I asked: "And if the truck blew me to the fence in the country, which I made myself?" Replied that the documents would then be required for construction materials. Also there were cases of refusal to the UK in insurance claims for people to insure their not fully decorated house.
  On that at least some paper for the UK need to have or create. It is clear that in court you with the UK Money Seek. But this extra time and nerves.

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But this extra time and nerves.

Hire a man and vsklyuchite money for his work in action against the UK.