Unlike J. Klever. Your opinion?

[uriart]

Tjutchev, I would not write about these experts would be bad if he did not know!
When I was a shop and dealers bring with examinations signed by the same individuals (see above), just astonishment how this can be written.
And one of the so-called "sculpted" are those which are something molded me directly and said the words of Madame Bychko.
When he asked why she wrote this, she replied that everyone wants to eat and it just like everyone else.
Argument of iron!
Only one nuance!
No self-respecting gallerist in Kiev or other city of Ukraine does not bear on her examination of good and honest work. Only by the fact that she knew that her writings would only undermine the credibility of the seller and the work itself!
And as you know, that examination buyers are often asked to do. And for many buyers of the paper itself is more than what is written on the canvas.
Here's how not to recall the words of an old St. Petersburg Collector:
"Despite the signature, the real work!"
And today, buy more expert opinion than the work itself, unfortunately!
That's why I allowed myself to write that.
When would you, dear opponent hold in your hand than a dozen of these examinations, I think even sure that your opinion would change!

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Dahl, so to speak, local council, which brought the clover and sell a lot of time to think not.

No need to go invent the tale of a pilgrimage to the famous dealers Samara-Syzran to art. At least in Samara is a pretty competent comrades, which will give the normal consultation on the same clover. If you communicate with them, you can tell about a new method of determining the authenticity of works Klever - "the eye" in a strong side light. You price was not on any auction - some "Clover" would be sold. If in fact that I made something wrong, then let them corrected by a more competent friends than you do, and I was present at this forum.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

all know, the shamrock was considered a genius then.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

In short, clover-father-no mystery and no great difficulty for the expert, for the art historian.

A genius is a mystery ...
One comrade wrote above:
"Competence - is the knowledge and experience"
What do you sincerely desire.

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uriart, a good message.
One question. You address will not mistake anything? Tjutchev-now here with?

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

But Sergei, obviously, as it would be difficult to explain how you understand that this is not clover

Check out a different theme, where you now quotes completely. And I think you all will become clear.

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

. At least in Samara is a pretty competent comrades, which will give the normal consultation on the same Clover

Who's that? If only one (!!!) name name!

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

the price you was not on any auction

I know that name. : shy:

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I know this name.

Accept no less than Sotheby's! Others somehow not rank ....

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

agree not less than Sotheby!

My friend worked there for a year in London, does not advise, knowing what I was lazy ... : D driven out.: D

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

Samara is a pretty competent comrades

Do not remember the name of either one? : D

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от SergeiSK

Check out a different theme, where you now quotes completely. And I think you all will become clear.

     Sergey, I'm sorry, if something is misunderstood. From the information provided, and my comment is rather general in nature and does not apply to your discussion with Kirill. I am sure that you have the "eye" and the knowledge and experience - can be acquired. However, maybe you better know the works of other artists, but the clover is not often met. Creative artists of all know is impossible. I still think that the amateur from the professional can distinguish, without special knowledge. Sincerely, Tiutchev.

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

Klever in Russia know only Ignatova and Rimsky-Korsakov,

By the way, chief specialist on Clover in Moscow, Irina Rustamov, GTG.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от uriart

And as you know, that examination buyers are often asked to do. And for many buyers of the paper itself is more than what is written on the canvas.
Here's how not to recall the words of an old St. Petersburg Collector:
"Despite the signature, the real work!"
And today, buy more expert opinion than the work itself, unfortunately!
That's why I allowed myself to write that.
When would you, dear opponent hold in your hand than a dozen of these examinations, I think even sure that your opinion would change!

      Uriart, I do not understand why I should change the view, which coincides with yours. Or do you mean that you "finished off" the same "not a dozen of these examinations, which you had to hold in their hands? And you have changed your opinion on the contrary I think? I am completely confused! I suggest not to take over the "pernicious expertise", and take only the real clover or the money to pay for them!