Fine arts - Study Thaw

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Сообщение от Paulle

And what would you recommend in this case?

Listen to this opinion:

Сообщение от Artem, 2483851

This work is not F.Vasileva.

Сообщение от Paulle

What can the examination in this case?

This is a question for expert Vasilyev.

Go, show that pslushayte say.

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Сообщение от Paulle; 2483921"

To some extent, the logic is. Only if we assume that Soldatenkov wrote it with an existing picture Vasiliev ... And if it was in 1870, it turns out that somehow simultaneously. By the way, what is known and how this Soldatenkov was in a museum ?

Paulle, believe that this remark you have entered into a stupor half of the participants. Kozma Terent'evich Soldatenkov (1818 - 1901) - the largest Russian collector , publisher , philanthropist , founder of the general availability of an art gallery in Moscow. Pleasure to admire the works of Briullov, Alexander Ivanov , " breakfast aristocrat" Fedotova, " Tea in Mytischi " Perov , "Big Water" Levitan you owe Kozma Terentich . This man says so much that even you will not be difficult to find out " who he is ."
If this was a joke - a joke that , frankly, is not good ...

Submitted by you hack - the fruit of hard work , self-taught unfortunate . Made , as mentioned earlier, a transfer grid.
It is suitable to cover the hole under the eaves . And that - not for long ...

[Paulle]

I would like to still more concrete according to the findings . What exactly the same impact on the assessment?
Grid ? - But if the artist makes a copy, is not he would use it as well?
No signature ? - Also the argument , but because many of Vasiliev and did not sign. That original that hangs in the Tretyakov Gallery - in my opinion has not signed it ...
Quality of work? - Looking at the other original to RM ... comparing with the sample stated that her drawing -taught amateur still would not ...

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Сообщение от Paulle; 2484301"

Grid ? - But if the artist makes a copy, is not he would use it as well?
No signature ? - Also the argument , but because many of Vasiliev and did not sign. That original that hangs in the Tretyakov Gallery - in my opinion has not signed it ...
Quality of work? - Looking at the other original to RM ... comparing with the sample stated that her drawing -taught amateur still would not ...

Yes , you yourself do not persuade you , if participants do not believe , bring their expertise to CATIC and there all their arguments and speak.

A " thaw" in the Tretyakov Gallery is not signed, yes, but in the timing already signed, and dated lower left.

[usynin2]

Paulle, Welcome to the forum uvazhaemyy.Vam meet experts , and there is a very high klassa.Uveryayu you that they do not oshibayutsya.Esli you want it to be a F.Vasilev , then consider that this is it. I think that you will not even expertise obratnom.Pozdravte lost faith in yourself that you have a genuine Vasiliev vse.Vse rest or just do not understand, or envy you.
 Regards, Alexander

[Paulle]

Dear experts, and of course I put the picture to hear different opinions. Of course , I have no purpose to play the role of stubborn sheep , standing his ground.
Just not interested in " categorical judgment ," and reasoned arguments , which , of course , and you can accept .. >
The main points of doubt (the grid , signature , quality) - I asked clarifying questions , backed by their arguments , it is thought ...
But in this whole peer review and ended ... >

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Сообщение от Paulle

I wish there are more specifics on these conclusions. What exactly the same impact on the assessment?
Grid ? - But if the artist makes a copy, is not he would use it as well?
No signature ? - Also the argument , but because many of Vasiliev and did not sign. That original that hangs in the Tretyakov Gallery - in my opinion has not signed it ...
Quality of work? - Looking at the other original to RM ... comparing with the sample stated that her drawing -taught amateur still would not ...

A very difficult case.

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Allow me to doubt. Expert - a person procedurally independent.

Сообщение от Balagur ; 2484651"

managed , through its psychological attack , forcing experts copies of "turns" in the documents against the sentence. Experts simply could not withstand the onslaught of the multi-day , and for fear of going mad ...

Allow me to doubt. Experts with the " psychological attack " is no stranger , experiencing them seven times a day, and have access to such methods of pressure strong immunity.
And here 's what you have written - it definitely jurisdiction. And if you're not ready for the protocol name specific names , addresses , passwords , secret addresses, similar words loudly better not pronounce. For the tag - witty , and an article for fraud has not been canceled .

[Paulle]

Hum ...
You somewhere in the opposite direction suffered, gentlemen experts ...
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[AlexSpb]

Сообщение от Amateur, 2484671

Allow me to doubt. Experts with the "psychological attack" is no stranger, experiencing them seven times a day, and have access to such methods of pressure strong immunity.
And here's what you have written - it definitely jurisdiction. And if you're not ready for the protocol name specific names, addresses, passwords, secret addresses, similar words loudly better not pronounce. For the tag - witty, and an article for fraud has not been canceled.

It seems that the esteemed Amateur really brings in some ... to put it mildly - alien to the sphere.
Yesterday, I was threatened (for example, by the way, is not explained), today about an article on fraud someone recalls.
Maybe I just did not see the post from Balagur - it is, as I understand it safely eliminated. And, of course, his vocabulary, even in this passage - all these "psychological attack" and "go crazy" - can not be welcome, but that there is criminal, to write about "cognizable case"?

It is obvious that almost any owner in respect of my things tend to issue "wishful thinking."
And the experts time and again in doubt as to the authenticity of things in relation to, say - 50:50, or - 70:30.
And what of jurisdiction in that way "psychological attack" soft persuasion or (depending on the temperament) - host things try to tip the balance to their side?
And you never know when the owner, being a - the most interested, manages to "dig" in the archives of such information about their things, which no one at all and could never suspect.

Notice, dear Amateur, I write most carefully, avoiding, as yesterday, easily seduced - by your example to go to the individual.
I still think that, as a reasonable man, you reconsider your attitude to these situations and give the "reverse", recognizing that a little hot. I am confident that the public respect for you on the forum in this case, only increase.

And so it is absolutely possible to remove the heat of debate, ready to go out with the initiative: like Children's Day on the calendar to enter the International Day of experts from all its colors, congratulations, and of course - the massive "amnesty"! >