Socialist realism - this is our antiques

[Самвел]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2342261"

socialist state podderzhivlo and containing exclusively "the art of socialist realism".

It's thought that this is so, but in reality it was far tak.Ya just met with the artist of that generation, they were different people. For all that, she had a son committed suicide. First in a psychiatric hospital and then, as so often happened with the free people especially in those vremena.U she had reason to dislike the state. From the point of view of life as an artist, she was very happy with the living conditions of these artists. These constant trips, meetings with different cultures, something new each time, as if there is no state, it does not stop them, they lived their separate from the state, the artist's life. They were often at odds, to defend their position, color Somebody, somebody perspective, someone with his love, and some sadness. These were whole teams of artists from different directions.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2342261"

Yeah, except that the world did not know him then and still does not know and, I think, never know, with the exception, perhaps, meager number of specialists - art historians and the same number lovers.

But it took only 30 years and if there is even a shred of experts and fans, this is great progress.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2342261"

you about the art of the twentieth century, judging by antique shops in the CHA, which is held in Moscow twice a year?

Yes, and the antique shops too.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Samvel

This constant travel, meeting with different cultures, something new each time, as if there is no state, it does not stop them, they lived their separate from the state, the artist's life.

Who sent on business trips?
Who paid for them?
Who paid for the road?

[Самвел]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2344241"

What are the others? People do not change . See Aeschylus , Sophocles , Euripides , or even Shakespeare , for example .

I do not know how in Sophocles, but the 20th century changed man, then went input technology. think of the German people during the Reich.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2344241"

Who sent on business trips ? Who paid for them? Who paid for the road?
__________________

Pay all state, plus paint canvases and other supplies . The host country was just glad that they had sobytiyu.U this work , the artist.

[Самвел]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2344241"

This is not "progress", this interest in the ethnographic sotsrealizu rather akin to the interest of modern man Lykov family living in the forest as in the century XVI - no light, no connection to the outside world, without communication with people ...

Socialist realism is the realism of the Wanderers and later, under the Soviet totalitarian system, this realism was mothballed in the USSR.
A sort of realism, of course, has the right to exist, but only when it exists, and for a "step left, step vprvo - shot without warning," This, I think, the savagery and this is just what the people of the savagery of the free world stare as a drowned man dragged to the beach stasatelyami - and scary and disgusting, and you can not break away.
Or as rare footage of life in North Korea.

Well, it is your assumption, and North Kore nothing to do with. I'm talking about the time 30 years is nothing. Post-Soviet space represents only Soviet artists is all states with its open spaces and mountains. This architectural monuments of Central Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltic States, the Russian North and so on. All of these Central Asian Mosque, Bukhara, Shahi Zinda (if I'm not mistaken even Lenin said, There is nothing more beautiful Shahi Zinda). A landscape painting, it is generally very valuable plast.Eto earliest pictorial images of these places. Imagine after 50 years of commercials like this will be popular (although now crazy speed 50 can be 5), unless you stop the barbaric progress. Separate from the state, I was referring to the state ideology, they do not put pressure on them psychologically. This is only a word that the artist did not know how to lie.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Samvel; 2344301"

imagine after 50 years of commercials like this will be popular, unless you stop the barbaric progress.

I told you about "demand" socialist realism now write, but first give advice: do not confuse simple realistic painting of Artists with socialist realism.
So.
Socialist realism is becoming vosnovnom people generation 50-60's birthday. Soon they were no longer to acquire such things: and they took up already and the interest for collecting when you're 60 already subsided.
But still some people 70 years of birth, which now, as I see it, the main buyers of art are. They, too, are old-fashioned tastes, brought up on Shishkin-Savrasov-Levitan, Aivazovsky and all sorts of socialist realist from "Spark". And still a mass of people 80 years of birth.
That's when these "vosmidesyatniki" live to see their 50 years (and it will be years in the 2030-ies) Socialist Realism finally stop anyone interested, although the market it will be many: children gatherers 50s will carry his legacy on the market, and then the children are collectors of 60th, but already interest in social realism will be less and less.
So, by my count in 15-20 years talking about the attractiveness of socialist realism collectible end, and on the investment before that, alas.

[Самвел]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2344341"

Do not confuse simple realistic painting of Artists with socialist realism .

I think it is you confuse these concepts mixing these concepts , knowing that means the bulk of the market , the word sotsrealizm.90 %uchastnkov market that is exactly what is meant by saying of socialist realism ( realism Artists. )

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Samvel ; 2344351"

90%of the market uchastnkov this is what is meant by saying of socialist realism ( realism of Artists .)

" Realistcheskaya Painting Artists of the USSR " is also different.
Thousands of cubic meters of birch or endless flowers in vases even now few of collectors interested.

Added after 3 minutes

Сообщение от Samvel ; 2344351"

I think it is you confuse these concepts mixing these concepts , knowing that the majority of the market implied by the word socialist realism .

Well, OK , let me confuse.
But do not think social realism only smile broadly happy Soviet collective farm and out of the face tired but happy satisfied socialist competition , the miners.

[ANATOLY]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2344371"

Thousands of cubic meters of birch or endless flowers in vases in gilded frames even now few of collectors interested.
________________

Eka's enough! If you have any extra bunches Grabar Kuprin Saryan Petrovicheva, Konchalovsky, Stipa, Tatlin, Kuznetsova send I will gladly accept.

Added after 47 minutes

Сообщение от artcol; 2349071"

What Goncharova that Repin - make me yawn.

S.Mamontovu Wrobel said Repin do not know how to draw. When asked Mamontov-Are you serious? Wrobel said that, no of course, just not my LRA. August 31, 1900 Polenov wrote Antokolsky-his very surprised why the Paris Exhibition received an award-wannabe Nesterov Dubovsky and mediocrity, not the discoverer of original direction Vasnetsov. It is unlikely that a normal person would admire square Malevich, "Oh, what colors, what depth." If there is a painting? Not an ounce, but it is the story of painting, philosophy, and paid for it. Why pay for Rothko "want to have" a hundred million dollars in the billions of dollars not so much money. Just there is a painting as a hobby and is for the preservation and growth of capital. And sometimes mutually exclusive. And the soul can be like the only part of the artist, and the rest to be indifferent. For investments to conform to the market and build the forecast is often mistaken. Here is a summary.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от ANATOLY

Just got a painting for the soul

This is probably

Сообщение от ANATOLY

opener original direction Vasnetsov.

?

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от ANATOLY

Why pay for Rothko "want to be",

Look at Rothko - and no Mozart or Shostakovich in his head did not start their tram-pam-pam?

That's not a bit, nor kapelyushechki?


One can only read on the forum: "Here the old masters knew how to write, but ..."
and so on, as it should be in the cultural conversation.