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Старый 26.01.2012, 20:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #61
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Yes?
I did not know how you all started here ...
  
"Started"?
You can see.

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You are in what rank?
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I served in the Soviet army, long, 77-79 years.

Retired with the rank of /page.
a private.

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You are in what rank?
>
I served in the Soviet army, long, 77-79 years.

Retired with the rank of /page.
a private.




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Старый 26.01.2012, 21:29 Язык оригинала: Русский       #62
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Yes , an interesting picture is obtained .
It is clear that removing all of the logs of the article Lobachevskii and putting them in a normal konvolyut , you can get a very real money.
Given the fact that the bibliography. stamp is placed on the 17 pages and it could not get mentioned in the article , you can get fully certified , product copy.
And even if not 400 000 $, and let's say only 100 000 , then there is a realistic scheme for millions of rubles, and as mentioned above. This is not Mandelstam and Pasternak with bibshtampami ...
A painting bought Borovkov or not - is generally irrelevant in the circumstances no



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Старый 26.01.2012, 21:46 Язык оригинала: Русский       #63
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it is clear that the purchase of stolen materials Borovkov proved.
And it makes a very subjective thing - knew or did not know , organized or not. Judging from the appearance of performers, they are very similar to the bibliographers , who know where that is stored. For this kind of need an organizer. Borovkov it or not, the answer can only be a fair trial . In addition, there is a mass of circumstantial points - phone calls, sms , etc. emehjl
And of course the most important point - the indications for Borovkov , which give the performers.
From all these herbs and formed a picture , but , of course, all this is sad .



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Старый 26.01.2012, 22:28 Язык оригинала: Русский       #64
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Wow, what an emotional glow ! You really do not own theme ... >
And should read carefully!
None of these ill-fated , journals nadergannye of 5 articles are not going to issue a separate edition , as totality of these articles is the first publication! And everyone knows about it except you ! >
And the topic and speak well now I know whom I was dealing .



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Старый 26.01.2012, 22:37 Язык оригинала: Русский       #65
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Borovkov it or not, the answer can only be a fair trial.

That's it.
And where did you see we have a fair trial?



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Старый 26.01.2012, 22:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #66
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do not have the bad news >



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Старый 26.01.2012, 23:47 Язык оригинала: Русский       #67
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it is clear that the purchase of stolen materials Borovkov proved.
And it makes a very subjective thing - knew or did not know , organized or not
 What you give ! If the investigation has concluded that B. was buying stolen goods , the court - as you know, the most humane and fair in the world! > - so far nothing yet proved .
And call the organization of a crime - "subjective thing" , you know, in general, in any gate not climbing ! This is a criminal act outweighs all others.

By the way , I'm in a " bear corner" in general had no idea what on earth is a man named Borovkov - learned about it from this post here . Initially, it was not even interesting - who is this and what it.

But if the investigation such arguments as were given above, it becomes quite obvious that the case was fabricated and, like most such cases , molded in a hurry .
There is only one question - in whose interests?



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Старый 27.01.2012, 06:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #68
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Direct dialogue with the unique (in my subjective opinion) - Police creature, I am a little interesting, but for others reading this thread, I will explain about the pictures can not be bought AB.
I, like, quite understandably wrote, "For many years":
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helper for many years without even listening to offers to buy paintings, always responding to their principled refusal: "No, I buy only books, pictures I do not need . " The only grounds for such a position has been concern about the purity of the collection, because, obviously, that the percentage of dubious authenticity in painting things immeasurably higher. He refused, apparently losing on this one, even from things hundred percent of very good houses. Just unsympathetic to him were all these games with confirmation-examinations, he shied away from them.
Clearly, it is about time that preceded the opening of the gallery in the House of Artists, and the period when B was in the shop on Prospect Mira, that is, about 90 and a part of the 2000s. A store is a store, it is not personal collection, there are other rules of the game.
And the man in this sense, B. was truly - special, so that, with a hypothetical example of a painting by Goncharova, from which B, as well as any other reasonable person supposedly could not refuse, too, is unconvincing. Personally, I bought on the recommendation of BS in the 90s with relatives of the artist painting a few things Olga Rozanova (well, nothing Goncharova?!). In this case no "kickbacks" and other forms of gratitude on my part did not specify in advance!

And, as I understand it, nothing but the criminal origin of collage until proven. Thus, this collage, irrespective of origin, getting to market, 90%still had to be in the collection of B., where else?! The rest of the proof, it is - the learned testimony bumbling criminals.
And generally, I think I agree with Khmelev (Khmelev a Khmelev and sober thinking!)
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someone, obviously, Mr. Borovkov greatly annoy. Can sell something that is not a man capable of such a rigid way of justice? How loud is not so long ago fired the gentleman Khochinsky - and where is he now? However, having no information other than the police, judge not.
. Here B. As far as I know, and he lost in conjectures ...

And yet, I would like to clarify for myself (I'm not an expert): In the 4 th page of television reports said that up to court BN could lose the property. If so, then the custom nature of the case it is confirmed. But, if the article is "konfiskatnaya," then why is the "property" is not even imposed a temporary arrest and BA still has access to it?




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Старый 27.01.2012, 08:50 Язык оригинала: Русский       #69
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But if the article " konfiskatnaya ," then why is the " property " is not put under temporary arrest , and even Boris still has access to it
At best, because first we razobratsya what part of the property acquired by legal means, and what - criminal. Confiscate crime can only be acquired or to award monetary compensation in return of the property .



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Старый 27.01.2012, 11:39 Язык оригинала: Русский       #70
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Personally, I bought on the recommendation of BS in the 90s with relatives of the artist painting a few things Olga Rozanova (well, nothing Goncharova?!).
In this case no "kickbacks" and other forms of gratitude on my part did not specify in advance!
It is so unrealistic in the case of B. I understood the meaning of your stories. That is, there is such a besserebrennik-scribe Tolia B., something as simple as "a penny", distributing right and left versions of Rozanova, Malevich and others,
to have driven from St. Petersburg who was unfairly cops who "sewed" high-profile case and is now waiting for when the extraordinary fall pip.
We should support, picketed outside the courthouse, hunger, etc.
I've heard a lot of other conversations, where more B. acts as a "vulture" (similar to second-hand Corso from the movie "The 9th Gate", only much worse).
The difference is that your story about Rozanov can not be verified, and listen to stories about B. - Sage can be in Petrograd and Moscow scribes.

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And, as I understand it, nothing but the criminal origin of collage until proven.
Thus, this collage, irrespective of origin, getting to market, 90%still had to be in the collection of B., where else?!
Well, these morons have come to the MFN of the millions of books chosen this, chose this illustration. Then tens of thousands of cities
on Earth have chosen Moscow, and without thinking twice rushed there. Well, there where? Of course for BA, where else, all roads lead to B, a small town Moscow.
Well, at this time Boris simple "collector" vanguard sitting with a headache and wanted to Hit the illustration ...
And then what happened happened ... B. bought this unfortunate collage, probably in a state of "temporary insanity"
as did not notice that collage ripped from another copy. and quite forgetting that this collage is absolutely unreal to buy separately (easier to buy a whole book with collage) ...

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someone, obviously, Mr. Borovkov greatly annoy. Can sell something that is not a man capable of such a rigid way of justice?
This version can be considered ... In order to delusions ...
Although hardly anyone else was soil oneself ...

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But, if the article is "konfiskatnaya"
then why is the "property" is not even imposed a temporary arrest and BA still has access to it?
Well, this was better to ask himself B., because he, in my opinion, had once passed through the seizure.



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