Dear forum, what can we say about this picture?

[Нардист]

Images makes the phone, I hope that looks at all.
 Now the question is whether it is possible to attribute this painting, artist signature, can have an opinion on price?
I will be glad to hear all opinions. From the story, I understood like the Netherlands, a rather wealthy family potrapeznichila, and now the maid is digesting, it is evident that between her and her husband is shooting the eyes, yes, such that jaw dropped open man.
Frame size approximately 59 by 56 cm and a thickness of about 10 cm.
The size of the picture about 35 by 40 cm
There is a small hole over the signature
The numbers under the signature of 83, in a family picture about 60 years, allegedly imported from Germany, the frame is heavy.
Such as canvas and oil.
Thank you all.

[Seriy]

I'm no expert, but I see that the quality of a mediocre painting, probably a copy from a thread pattern, keeping pretty bad, needs restoration, if sold, but it's not worth it.
Theorem painting - cheap, beautiful frame.

[Нардист]

Сообщение от Seriy

T e painting - cheap, beautiful frame.

Perhaps that is the case, it was hoped that the signature is recognized by someone else. And what's clothing on the characters, really the end of 19?
In the picture a figure 83, and suddenly it's 1683?
Rama, of course, relatively fresh ...
Thank You

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Сообщение от kata

Nardist, well, once you astroumeya not hold, may help that the Internet does not read.

Help, since you are not local.
First, make a normal pictures, look at mine, they are on the verge of life, your no good at all, or a piece of newspaper on it, whether part of the salary, no you will not say anything to her. Read this
Please provide details as proposed now for the following:

1. Author.
2. Material and equipment manufacturing (oil on canvas, paper, pastels, watercolors, lithographs, oil, pencil, etc.).
3. Size (horizontal x vertical for painting).
4. Date (1899 /early., Mid-twentieth century. Etc.).
5. Captions, labels, stamps, birochki (if any - need photos).
6. State (breaks, debris, scrapes).
7. Expert opinion (if available) - the organization + name experts.
8. High-quality photograph of the picture, the back of the painting, photo captions (if any).
9. Origin of the picture.
10. Any other information useful for the attribution of the painting.
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Opens a new topic, but do not write in somebody
Although I do not mind. I hope that now in my head cleared.
And throw-padonkovsky language-it's here will not do, or have a check bukovok. Good luck!

[Seriy]

Nardist, no, not 17 th century, then so did not write.
Brushwork is quite modern (not the plot, and clothing, namely, the manner of writing, painting) - r f or the end of the 19 th or 20 th.
And it's not so much in the century, both as a painting, tons of e-level artist.

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Nardist; 1462441"

what can we say about this picture?

your job no doubt by 1883.
Rama dear, at that time.
As for the quality of painting, appreciate the work as a bit below average.
Probably the author of the Austrians or Germans. This level of art was at that time, thousands.
By author I read type: Josef REINER (1863-1904), but not the fact.
Price in Europe, the Ebee or auction, we can assume in the 200 - 300 euros.

[Нардист]

sergejnowo,
Thank you for your knowledge, it seems to me that the first letter R on the signature, just a "paired" with the letter J, but there still exists a vertical dash and a point below, and so it seems that you are guessing the type of name-say this-Rainer it's thousands of "cheap" artists? Rather, if it is written is that Joseph Rainer, the picture will still be around you specified limits?
Once again, thanks and greetings to Germany!

Although now looked more closely, these hook is not completely clear end
at er - not a lot like ... but Rein - seems to be clearly seen, although it may etl Reim?

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Nardist

in this hook is not quite clear to the end

That's your job, it's not important.

More expensive will not.

Сообщение от Nardist

and hello Germany!

Thank you, and you order the same

[ANTIK]

Will offer 500 g.

[Нардист]

ANTIK,
Hello, I'm here to answer all at once,
In the early '90s wore on Arbat to one friend huckster, incidentally revealed yet another for clarity. Thus, both about the same price estimated 3000 green, but with the restoration and odnushka then worth about 10 in the MSK kbaksov.
Vidal fell my antique)
Yes, No, let him hang, mother happy.
Good luck to all and thank you!

[Ika-Ika]

Сообщение от "Nardist

Yes, No, let him hang, mother happy.

Let your mother happy.