Russian week in London

[DSF]

Very interesting discussion. But all the same in the painting above as, not that. Portraits of various kinds of "leaders" and "industrial subjects, the so-called" social order "- it's timeless themes. Take Velasquez. Endless portraits of the king and his family, courtiers (officials), "trash", as we have said, - "Surrender of Breda" or "expulsion of Moriscos from Spain", "work - a peasant" theme under the general title "bodegones" ...
Subjects differs little from the socialist realism. And what a painting! I refer to Renoir:
"Painting these pictures - divine! Using only black and white glaze, Velasquez is a means to portray the rich heavy embroidery ... A "weaver"! I do not know anything more beautiful. The background of this picture is written down diamonds and gold! "
"Another thing that I admire in Velasquez: his paintings breathe with joy, which the artist felt while working on them, for the painter enough to be a deft craftsman, in the film should affect the love with which he treats his canvas."
"Look how Velazquez wrote the court the King of Spain! All these were probably ordinary, mediocre people. And what he gave them a majestic dignity! This is the very dignity of Velazquez ... And his painting "Lance! Not to mention the quality of painting, as a delightful gesture winner! In another, he'd make a pompous ... I spent the whole time before this picture, then closer, then away ... And these horses - they want a hug! "
I think that the artist leave almost any subject, if he decides it art. Art - is a crystal glass, which you can pour fine wine, and you can splash and trash, but the glass at the same time remain unchanged. And what "ism" that everything will then be called - is not important. Talent, if any, will manifest itself in any "change".

[Tana]

Сообщение от fross

Extending the circle again on the principle of political planning? Why may I ask? What would that not sold as Socialist Realism could vparit as non-conformism?

Rsshirenie circle, on the principle that no one in the capital were fighters for the freedom of creativity, because of the forum should be that the value of works of non-conformists is not in their artistic skill, but that they did not agree with the imposition of ideas, fought for artistic freedom, therefore, why such non-conformists from the Big Vasyukov less valuable than Moscow? idea and struggle since the total, but the honor goes to only one, is unfair, undemocratic ....

OlgaV did not like it read on: " Regarding the value of social realism - it is unconditional, in terms of the market. If we recall the history of the socialist planned economy: all the academicians, professors, etc., were present N - th number of works per year, not counting the "State. Order." to justify his status with the attendant consequences (for those who do not like the word brazing and soldering).
And suddenly it became clear that millions of houses of culture, work canteens and other public offices across vast Russia "decorated" the works of the academicians of socialist realism, with perfect provenance in the form of "quota Ministry of Culture." Anything can be bought for a penny, and to sell ... Thank Tyukhtin, a brilliant business idea.
So, success in your business ... But success in business, believe me, means the value of works of art. This, as they say in Odessa - two very different things "
because everyone takes the "one size fits"
 
Beautiful words DSF Talent, if any, will manifest itself in any "change".
Thank you one phrase to express what I "grew weak" half theme.

[artcol]

People around me, like savages, stoically as the most important things, but in the little things to remind children. Subsequently, I had to watch as Kerfoot, one of the hunters, smashed finger. Kerfoot, not only did not utter a sound, but not even changed color. Yet many times I have seen the same Kerfoot is enraged because of Sushchikh trifles.

So now he yelled, waving his arms frantically and swore - and all just because another hunter did not agree with him that seals Belek from birth swim. Kerfoot argued that this ability has a newborn baby seal from the first moment of his birth, and the other hunter, Latimer, a lean Yankee with cunning, similar to the slits of his eyes, argued that the seal is precisely because he is born on the land that can not swim, and mother teaches him this wisdom in the same way as birds teach their chicks to fly.

The remaining four hunters with great interest listened to the dispute - who is lying on his bed, who raised himself and his elbows on the table - and at times served replica. Sometimes they start talking all at once, and then close the cabin their voices sounded like peals of thunder sham. They argued about trifles, as children, and their arguments were extremely naive. Actually, they do not result in any argument, but limited to unsubstantiated allegations or denials. The ability or inability to swim baby seals they were trying to prove just that voiced their opinion with militant views, and accompanied by his attacks on the nationality, reason, or past his opponent. I talk about this to show the mental level of people with whom was forced to communicate. Intellectually they were children, though in the guise of men.
Jack London, "Sea Wolf".

Shl Finish already, honestly. Just not funny.

[Tana]

In a dispute born truth

[Glasha]

Originally Posted by sss
really interesting not that avant-garde or academically, but that talent.

Just to remind again at the end of the dispute.

[fross]

Сообщение от DSF

Very interesting discussion. But all the same in the painting above as, not that. Portraits of various kinds of "leaders" and "industrial subjects, the so-called" social order "- it's timeless themes. Take Velasquez. ... I refer to Renoir ....

And we now nesluchilos or Velazquez, or Renoir, how many names are not sorted out. A Number of course, we all passed, sorry to quality is not passed, but there should have been according to dialectical materialism.

[Tana]

Сообщение от fross

And we have now nesluchilos or Velazquez, or Renoir, how many names are not sorted out. A Number of course, we all passed, sorry to quality is not passed, but there should have been according to dialectical materialism .

and whoever said that did not happen? let us not start all over again ...

[artcol]

Сообщение от Tana

In a dispute born truth

I doubt it. MB agreed to consider would be born white is black. Or vice versa. And the truth is unlikely.
Interesting theme emerged about nonconformists. Here's the bad thing would be to dissect: D But only interesting analysis of art criticism, and not "promote" or "vkusovschina.
Here Liana can think to express their opinions. Such a consolidated view - a place on the scale of eternal values. I would listen.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Tana

I can not understand, why are you all so are flying with the nonconformists, if they are valuable, such champions of freedom of speech, then why all the talk only about Moscow nonconformists??
  But in Odessa was home exhibition nonconformists (and not only in Odessa), so why not a word about them? Are they less valuable, they have not fought for the freedom of speech, instead of fighting against the regime, I think the explanation is one thing, Moscow more untwisted and still continue to unwind, and they do not want "the rivals" even in the fight for the freedom of art, you see how everything is simple, even in the fight against the Soviet regime, someone is "more equal" and "provincial" fighters in any account ....

But this is very interesting. For instance, I very badly know about what was going on outside of Moscow (with the exception of Leningrad, with whom ties were very close, all knew each other).

From Odessa knew only Lyovushka Mezhberga, whose love and feel wonderful artists, and more Vitya Sazonov, who emigrated to somewhere in the 80-m. He lived, I think, in Germany, and died young. Once I asked a question about it here on the forum, but no one answered.

You see, I'm sure that there are basically talking about Moscow artists nonconformists simply because drugizh do not know. Maybe this is the case Odessa - give a list of names to talk about Odessa apartment exhibitions, post pictures of work?
For literature, probably, no no, where do we find out about all this, if not from you?

[Tana]

artcol you know, I can not call myself a 100%lover and an admirer of socialist realism (because not like everything and not all), because Besides, I love classical Russian painting, the Impressionists, I love Russian avant-garde (but not all in a row, have favorite artists and works) and nonconformists like (although most units), and I do not understand how some forum members dumped into the pile of all the artists who worked in Soviet times and call it junk, is precisely for political reasons, they say worked to order and indulge the regime where everybody and they say there is nothing to find "gems" (I oboschila their statements), that disagree as much as possible !!!!! love only one thing in art, how can you be such a "unilateral"?

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LCR that's interesting ссылочка about Odessa nonconformists, and the history here, and the names and works:
http://www.artodessa.com/index.php

here and there a little Sazonov: http://www.artodessa.com/index.php?p...artists_id=283
(do not think that I'm doing advertising site, simply described here is really interesting and you can see the work itself is much of this site to learn).
(when watching when the "press" in the name of the artist opens his biography)