Andrei Erofeev dismissed from the Tretyakov Gallery - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Евгений · 28-06-2008, 08:09

Andrei Erofeev, former curator held in March 2007 the exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006", was dismissed from the Tretyakov Gallery, where he was in charge of the newest trends.

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Nik · 28-06-2008, 08:24

The specialist may, and good, but the show was indeed very questionable. And then ... I had to think what they do, and anticipate a similar scenario. There does not even matter that ought to be afraid of possible consequences for himself, and that such work could really be offensive to people.

LCR · 28-06-2008, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Eugene

Andrei Erofeev, a former curator held in March 2007 the exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006", was dismissed from the Tretyakov Gallery, where he was in charge of the newest trends.

Recall, for participation in a shocking exhibition "Forbidden Art 2006" Erofeev was charged with inciting religious hatred. Also in his case brought at the request of the Orthodox organization "People's Cathedral", appears Yuri Samodurov, director of the Sakharov Center, which was scandalous exhibition. radio station Ekho Moskvy.

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Pity he was a good specialist.

This is very sad news - and for people interested in contemporary art, and for the most GTG - in fact almost everything in the museum of art is posledni 50 years, collected by the energy and efforts of Andrew.
Indeed, the taint of some too bad he went ...

fross · 28-06-2008, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Eugene

. But it all as one boss flatly deny the facts of the censorship interference.

Was there a history of the period of complete lack of censorship (and the explicit and hidden)? And as censorship, the exact scope of the restrictions imposed by it, affects the quality of work?

Nik · 28-06-2008, 16:47

Wait a minute. Censorship is everywhere. And in our country at the moment it is more liberal than in other developed countries, in the same United States, Germany, in the same France, finally.

Here are a couple of articles about censorship on the Internet:
http://compress.ru/Article.aspx?id=16103
http://compress.ru/Article.aspx?id=17261

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And then the one who ordered and supervised the case, probably suggested Korobkov use "orthodox argument. Simple and besproygryshny reception! The point is that the investigator without any analysis or criticism takes the side of "Orthodox believers" and protects their picture of the world, their feelings and their arguments as a universal human norm, requiring no additional legitimation. If Orthodox hurt, it means that the product offensive in all cases and for all citizens, if he considers it blasphemous, then, consequently, it really is "really". http://www.aerofeev.ru/content/view/202/1/

And you remember, that resulted in the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in European media. Is that before the war never took place. These things can not joke in any case. So I personally do in this situation on the side of the church. Although I am an atheist.

Nik · 29-06-2008, 06:56

In fact, the boundary between what is considered offensive and what is not always very blurred. But, nevertheless, it is always very balanced attitude to the selection of works for the exhibition. And, in my opinion, better in this case be safe than to cause resentment of certain groups of people, even if you do not belong to these groups and do not share their beliefs.

No, of course, if the purpose of the exhibition - outrageous scandal and self-promotion by such means, these methods yield the expected result. But then we must be prepared in advance for the consequences. And most importantly, to understand that these consequences can be severe, not only for exhibition organizers, but for many, many other people did with them is not related (as is the case with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad).

Евгений · 29-06-2008, 07:23

Nik, you know you can on the different attitudes to contemporary art, France, and without scandal, this exhibition took a good conversation here about something else.

Admin · 29-06-2008, 07:45

Eugene, I ask you, more careful and pouvazhitelnee. Islam - an ancient and highly developed religion and culture, with more ancient than Christianity. Although directly Islam in the modern form originated in the early 7 th century, but it goes to the roots of Sufism - a philosophical and religious system, which many thousands of years. And I assure you, they have, something to learn.

Евгений · 29-06-2008, 07:54

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Islam - an ancient and highly developed religion

Fully agree with you ..

Meister · 29-06-2008, 11:01

will not dilute the religious polemics ...
But Nik, and who forced these poor believers with glubokochuvstvennoy kind to come to this exhibition and look? If you remember, at the exhibition were made by the false-walls with eyes and it was a warning that it might offend someone else's feelings, ideas, principles, etc. Warn you, just so it does not see to do this was to make a little effort - to close one eye and look the other in the hole. This head is sufficient to protect such people from accidentally viewing. What to plant now for the sake of this scandal? say, we have ignored all the warnings, looked there, but there TAAAAKOEEE! We are so indignant!! swear delirium. Miserable censorship arguments inability to express their grievances and attempt to hide behind the skirts of religion ... Personally, I find it very frustrating. Now prohibit such exhibitions, and then let's ban the same Schiele, he also won pornographic images, they also hurt our feelings! Sorry, but with this approach, you can do anything to turn!!

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