Photos from the rally in support of Andrei Erofeev, and Yuri Samodurov

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Сообщение от Ruff

Where do you find a contradiction in words and deeds Yakunin?

So he says that "80%of workers ROC - refuseniks seeking the cultural level of the Byzantine Empire V century, but about. Maxim has helped to hold the exhibition "Valaam /Dialog.

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Сообщение от Vladimir

Persons. The rally in support of Erofeev and Samodurov.

At You Tube have posted videos from the rally in support of Andrei Erofeev, and Yuri Samodurov.
Here's the first:


Look, there are many and interesting.

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Сообщение от dedulya37

What is it then to hell with an independent court?

Wait a minute! Wait a minute! First - why do you think that I think a modern judicial system in Russia an ideal? I'm somewhere argued that the court in an independent Russia? He is what is! And precisely because of this I assume ... Second - give me a country where the judicial system is totally independent from the government. Do not proclaim itself, but in reality such is! (Of course, examples from Hollywood movies not shown).

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Сообщение от Ruff

USA, UK, most European countries, all of Scandinavia, Australia.

I asked, drawing conclusions, not based on Hollywood movies. This is just propaganda or simplified (to achieve any goals) reality ...

Here is an example from real life:

«One hand washes.

Clinton pardoned Marc Rich businessman \\ Marc Rich, who was convicted for a record tax evasion, escaped from the U.S. and donated a substantial amount to the state Democratic Party, to which belonged to Clinton. Bush pardoned a group of senior officials of the U.S. administration (including ex-Minister of Defense Caspar Weinberger \\ Caspar Weinberger), which have been implicated in the scandal, the Iran - Contra affair (the illegal sale of arms to Iran and funding of the Nicaraguan counter-revolutionaries). Iran-Contra affair erupted in the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whom the elder Bush was vice-president. In 1974, President Gerald Ford \\ Gerald Ford pardoned his predecessor Richard Nixon \\ Richard Nixon, who left the White House after the Watergate scandal (Nixon's staff installed eavesdropping equipment in the office of his political opponents in Washington Hotel Watergate) ».

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And such examples, at different levels in different versions, a lot! This is life ...

Do you think that in the real world there is a country in which the judiciary is not corrupt or do not use power to achieve certain goals, let's say in the "good people"? We can only talk about the greater or lesser degree of corruption in different countries, but not as not on the absolute freedom from this phenomenon. Well, about all kinds of special regimes and the provisions in An emergency I think you do not need to explain? ..

Power always and everywhere - is power! And she does not like to lose! And then I think you are not a secret that the power is always and everywhere give their representatives the opportunity to abuse their position. But the authorities - this is just people! You know, just people! Ordinary people! With its weaknesses and problems. Do not be naive, Ruff!

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Explain to the audience the first kanala.Nezavisimaya judicial system differs from ours (in common parlance "Basman" or "sovereign democratic") that is not corrupt (decisions are not made by a phone call, not because it has brought a bribe and not because the cops have to put daw disclosure of the case) and to the court for the slightest transgression can be easily brought a businessman or a bureaucrat at any level, including the president, that the justice that I have mentioned countries permanently demonstriruet.Chego not to speak of, for example, in Russia.

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Сообщение от Ruff

explain to the audience the first kanala.Nezavisimaya judicial system differs from ours (in common parlance "Basman" or "sovereign, democratic") that is not corrupt (decisions not to call, not because it has brought a bribe and because the cops have to put daw disclosure of the case) and to the court for the slightest transgression can be easily brought a businessman or a bureaucrat at any level, including the president, that the justice that I have mentioned countries permanently demonstriruet.Chego not to speak of, for example, in Russia.

"The naivete - is the sister of innocence and a cousin - nonsense." Paul Dekursel

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Сообщение от pussycat

Ruff) where you sued?

 Explain to the audience of the program "However".

  I got net.Zato by distributing the above-mentioned Clinton (for instance), the scandalous case with M. Lewinsky, he was nearly turned inside out and caught in a lie, largely due to this dem.partiya lost two elections podryad.I if referred to "Tiutchev" crap , to pull out of the national press at least an inch was true (ie, confirmed the direct link between the pardon and donations), Clinton has been sitting in jail.

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"Tjutchev!

  "Nothing can be more shameless than give approval for the truth, the falsity of which it is known." Kay Kavoussi

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The rally in defense of tyranny, as the direction of blundering?

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The rally in defense of freedom of art from the tyranny and obscurantism.

[Konstantin]

Strange argument ...
But someone does not understand what was devoted to rally?
Mistake:
 Art or not art is completely innocent. The rally was against prosecution.
People for the organization of the exhibition want to put a 3-year.
My opinion about the exhibits of the exhibition can be found in this topic and others. I like or not - is not important, but put in jail for it is not correct.
Express the assessment - please.
Close - is also possible, but debatable.
Putting? Participants from the conviction you are already prepared to sit?