Margin

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от artcol

Kirill, the MSCs to the crisis was so ... um ... people had the money, it plunged me into a quiet ужОс. And they bought, they bought a ... skuystvo ... I chose to retire away from this Bedlam.

Some kind of bird language - very secretly. Let's more specific - what artists hyped? How much cost and what now? It is interesting to discuss, and how in the song "If someone has something where we have sometimes ..."

I like our editor in chief Vladimir Bogdanov was today at the winery. To my surprise a large pesimizma not noticed. Talked to people (such as the artist Maxim Bashev very interesting to talk).
In humans, all more or less, with rather more than less.
Reporting on this, our outing will Vladimir. Bashev now working on a series of works potentially very controversial, and yet interesting.
And the paintings are sold, even now, and the price is quite serious.

[NATA NOVA]

[Fantozzi]

A striking example - a creative duo Dubossarskogoyu and Vinogradov. I am personally not familiar with them, probably decent people, art dealer who deal with them - an ingenious master of sales. But what is surprising -
1. I read an article about them about a year ago. People openly write - draw (write), we did not, and specially trained people, we put the finishing touches at the end of that was visible to our hand. ?????????
2. I saw a number of works - frank plagiarism (a caricature of the newspaper transferred to the canvas (like Pinocchio heating hands by the fire)).
3. The level of price falls to this painting, as well as the level of demand shows that the dealer margin is increased too. He - well done, good use of time, but the one who bought it? What? One would like to ask: "Where's the margin?"

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Fantozzi

and the one who bought it? What? One would like to ask: "Where's the margin?"

And if you have bought without thinking about some kind of future margins?

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I told you to Dubossarsky /Vinogradov replied:
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...1&postcount=49

Сообщение от Fantozzi

The level of price falls to this painting,

Yes, and how do you know about the level of the prices of them?

[Yurko]

about the position before and after

The art is interesting its relevance not only at cost .. Krysis? Ha .. good examples of Chinese contemporary art .. where modern "scribble" wide brush for sale oh how expensive ... and in total demand in the market .. and the indicators of a particular author .. or style of performance for modern art after the "failed" the expression of trades within a time frame .. oh as far from the reality of construction prices ... how did pinalti Ganiyskih football ... Uruguay won

[Fantozzi]

I read periodicals and visiting exhibitions, watching the auctions. Like all. An example of this duo - a great work of art-dealer to create a fashion mediocre painting. As on the stage - the star of 3 years. Rublyovka demanded, and the market was nothing. That blind.
An example of the legacy - the discovery by Mr. Shishkin, by the way I truly respected, November Gedenidze. Here and ratings, sales in London. I do not think anyone thinks this is a great painting. If not a crisis, the show could have been, and attempt, I think, failed.

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We are on the website investment.

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As for the Chinese market - it's easy. It creates a major new art bubble. As soon as the welfare of the citizens of China will grow at times, but their more than 1 billion, could be good broth. This is a long-term program, but I think in the next 25-30 years is very real. The Chinese will start buying back their art. So here only the business account.
 A Baby foot was just super.

[Любознательный]

Сообщение от Yurko

Art interestingly its relevance not only for the cost Krysis ..? Ha .. good examples of Chinese contemporary art .. where modern "scribble" wide brush for sale oh how expensive ... and in total demand in the market .. and the indicators of a particular author .. or style of performance for modern art after the "failed" the expression of trades within a time frame .. oh as far from the reality of building price ...

China Syndrome, we do not shine. Unlike the Chinese, we (as people in their bulk) does not believe in the priority of his country and priritet their national art, and, moreover, the priority of art as such.
The Chinese are buying up all their own: from old to contemporary. Hence the price.
They buy their national art - fashion.
And all this fuss with the promotion of the song - no more than a hopeless rat race. Even if she is well paid.
Up until fartsovye sales techniques will not go into the past, the market is not replaced by the market. In normal perception (art) work.
Fartsovy method is simple - grab, if the light parnos. Therefore, black-marketeers call themselves art dealers, and their exorbitant mark-up-margin. For respectability (bombast), not realizing that the margin - the difference from the purchase and sale of securities. Of Pontus - a specialist in product promotion, with Pontius financiers.
Art market in Russia (instead fartsovoy hangouts) will begin when it begins to conform to the current legislation of Russia.
The artist today delivers a picture in the gallery (shop) and costs imposed on him by the seller, and without obligation to seller of the date of sale.
For the realization of (another fartsovy term that does not meet the Civil Code).
In accordance with the law, the seller accepts the goods on commission for the commission agreement, which outlines the price of goods, terms of execution by the parties of their obligations and specifying the size COMMITMENT FEE seller in the sale of paintings at a price agreed upon by the parties to the contract. And also lots of other legal (statutory) conditions.
To date fartsovaya trade is separate from the law.
Hence, mass effects. From an arbitrary purchase price (not related to the price of the contract of commission) to the situation Anastasia Alferov.
Way out of this situation the only - re-establishment of civilized Russian art market.
I believe that this will soon spur a second wave of the crisis, which washed away part of the fartsy. But at the same time, dethrone the position of the survivors.
Laws Kyrlya Myrli nobody canceled. The crisis followed by a flow of commercial capital in this sector of the market. Moreover, capital has not only petit-methylene, literate approach to building a market, as well as professional experience, but also the ability to move any kind of goods. ANY.
Then and only then possible investment.
In the serious business trade on black market money to invest will not be.
In the works of old masters - yes.
In proizveleniya individual contemporary artists - yes.

But this does not constitute an investment in art.
Investments and investment can only afford to develop and raise the contemporary Russian art, and most importantly - to introduce art into everyday life, what is unable to fartsa. It is this impotence. It would only cut down their "margin", and there - even though grass is not growing. For fartsy important - Navarro, and not to promote art. That is the main issue.
I think so.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Why, by reading some messages and razmyshlyalova (especially the last three), I want to hang myself from reaching their anguish and trivial?

[artcol]

Сообщение от Fantozzi

I read periodicals and visiting exhibitions, watching the auctions. Like all. An example of this duo - a great work of art-dealer to create a fashion mediocre painting. As on the stage - the star of 3 years. Rublyovka demanded, and the market was nothing. That blind.
An example of the legacy - the discovery by Mr. Shishkin, by the way I truly respected, November Gedenidze. Here and ratings, sales in London. I do not think anyone thinks this is a great painting. If not a crisis, the show could have been, and attempt, I think, failed.

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We are on the website investment. I bought it without thinking about the margin - is on another site.

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As for the Chinese market - it's easy. It creates a major new art bubble. As soon as the welfare of the citizens of China will grow at times, but their more than 1 billion, could be good broth. This is a long-term program, but I think in the next 25-30 years is very real. The Chinese will start buying back their art. So here only the business account.
 A Baby foot was just super.

Yes, all true. But who thinks so widely from local? Units. No other is no more, and those, far away.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Lord.