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Classified - No cypress, and the letter itself, the Athos did not like.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

Oh, no, writing something like

Icons painted on Russian Athos, quite different. They were immediately evident.
Even experienced painters do not get repeat "Athos letter."

Сообщение от SAH

If the board does not cypress then it could make iconographer Mount Athos on a local board

A strange combination - the house painter from Mount Athos and the local board. A dye whose?
Logical - a local house painter, on the local board. Just to clarify the area ..

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Сообщение от redbor

Icons written in Russian Athos, quite different. They were immediately evident.
Even experienced painters do not get repeat "Athos letter".

Athos, he kind of until Greek. "entirely different and one can see that her argument, and had seen their big set as for me and this is the so-called Athos letter I have no doubt. Another thing that is now a dark varnish, linseed oil interfere see it.

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Сообщение от SAH

Athos Greek until he was like

Athos is not Greek.
Mount Athos in Greece - is yes. Athos - in fact a sovereign Republic in Greece.
 Mount Athos (monasteries and others like them) - in the jurisdiction and control of the Ecumenical (Constantinople), the Patriarch.
Russian Athos - it is all understandable Russian Athos, if anything it is not clear, with pleasure explain. (I'm on Mount Athos was 7 times. A total of almost a year he lived.)
 In our case, RA - It Panteleimon monastery and St. Andrew's monastery, the former under the effective control
 Russian Church and the Russian government (until the beginning of the First World War).
SAH; If the

all different and they immediately evident that her argument, and had seen them a great set and I doubt there is no "

. I'll try to explain:
 There were written and those icons, which we call "Athos. Icons were painted on cypress "mixed" technique, tempera and bleached oil, with inter-treatment.
 Canvas medium sized, thin soil, background with gold leaf, cutting clothes melted gold.
Small icons for pilgrims - are usually stamped "blessing".
Icons of the same large-temple written in order for the "Big Land"-the more
 Athos origin indicated on the front side.
This icon, certainly not Athos. It can be seen and under varnish ...
 Moreover, it is said was "comes from the Novgorod region.
As to price, then the maximum 25-30 thousand USD. IMHO.
Whether it is a real Athos icon - not sorry for it b and 100 rubles to pay

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Сообщение от redbor

In our case Panteleimon Monastery and St. Andrew's Skete

Oh! I would know.
I then had thought that apart from Mount Athos Russian St. Panteleimon monastery there is a Russian Skeet Skeet Virgin (Ksilurgu) and Skeet Old Rusik, but it turns out I still have unknown Russian "Andrew skit.
Thanks, I'll know.
And can you so so call Skeet St. Andrew's Monastery Vatoped? So it has long been a former Russian monastery.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

I have an unknown Russian "St. Andrew's Skete.
Thanks, I'll know.

Kirill, I clearly written - a former Russian to 1 World War II.
  you make me want to catch a lack of knowledge or to emphasize the vastness of his?
I pointed to Andrew's (and this is the largest temple in all of Mount Athos), as the main theme in the iconography.
Already told you about this: when there is a broad topic, I point out major relevant to the subject, and you start vspomininat already known particularly malootnosyaschiesya to the conversation and gives, as a kind of revelation, ttipa - that's what I know and you do not even remember ..! "
They better not even start ...
If you wanted to talk about Mount Athos - be kind. I'm happy. I lived in Hilendare and Vatoped and Panteleimon. 7 times in 20 years went.
 As an icon specifically tell, please, if you can!
place-Century-price?

Сообщение от SAH

can be assumed that the house painter and a local board written in Athos tradition-ca. The people have migrated here went there and the icon painter could come from Athos to his home and there to write the icon, this version you want. In any case, the icons were painted in the so-called Athonite style of writing, for me personally it Athos.

Where is the house where came Athos ikonpisets? In Melbourne?
If we just discussed the possibility of movement of painters and etc.. - I am ready to agree with everything.
But it is desirable to answer the question posed.
Why fool a man's head Athos mythical origins?
Nothing to do there. Cyril once said: "The image of" Meet it is. "
The miraculous icon is located on Mount Athos. Here is one of the lists with the image.
 Morning 19. The place I suppose SPiterburg and surroundings.
The level of writing is good.

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Сообщение от redbor

Where is the house where came Athos ikonpisets? In Melbourne?
If we just discussed the possibility of movement of painters and etc.. - I am ready to agree with everything.
But it is desirable to answer the question posed.

Icon painters like other inhabitants of the Athos monasteries moved to monasteries throughout Russia, a phenomenon often. In the 19 century, early 20 th century inhabitants of the Panteleymonova monastery was 2000 people and people 2000-3000 pilgrims! Total 5000chelovek! In essence, the question raised, I wrote like 500-800 dollars. as for me it's the second half of the 19 century.

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Сообщение от redbor

there and write the icon, which we call "Athos". Icons were painted on cypress "mixed" technique, tempera and bleached oil, with inter-treatment.
Canvas medium sized, thin soil, background with gold leaf, cutting clothes melted gold.
Small icons for pilgrims - are usually stamped "blessing".
Icons of the same large-temple written in order for the "Big Land"-the more
Athos origin indicated on the front side.

redbor, you write everything correctly, but I have met (not once) as icons do not have gold background but with the seal of Mount Athos, as there were no printing but with the text on the facade, as on cypress gold background but without printing the back and the text on the facade, and the text on the front and rear seal but not on the cypress board

Сообщение от redbor

strange combination - the house painter from Mount Athos and the local board. A dye whose?
Logical - a local house painter, on the local board. Just to clarify the area ..

Nothing strange. It can be assumed that the local house painter and the board is written in Athos tradition-ca. The people have migrated here went there and the icon painter could come from Athos to his home and there to write the icon, this version you want. In any case, the icons were painted in the so-called Athonite style of writing, for me personally it Athos.

Сообщение от redbor

Athos is not Greek.
Mount Athos in Greece - is yes. Athos - in fact a sovereign Republic in Greece.

Territorial physically Athos think very even Greek. The special status of the Holy Mountain is enshrined in Article 105 into the Constitution of Greece. The Greek State on Mount Athos represents the Governor, being subordinated to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Greece. If it has a small administrative staff and police. His main responsibility - to monitor compliance with civil law.