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Старый 07.06.2010, 12:50 Язык оригинала: Русский       #91
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Overall I must say that the police helps (that is, people are afraid of her <!--~ a ~-->), know this from personal experience.

It was like this: I notified the gallerist Sergey Popov that he intends to take all the work Roginsky stationed him on consignment. Documents in this work I had.
On the appointed day, we arrived with a girlfriend for pictures, but refused to give their Popov, and simultaneously, give the following reasons:

a) The work sold long ago, during the life of Misha;
b) the works were handed over to them Roginsky (in the sense only to him and give);
a) these works are now available, as stored in the store, which is located somewhere else.

I've been desperate, but my friend took her cell phone rang the police station and asked the district to come to understand. She promised that they would come.

While we waited, Popov and his then-partner Boris Fish first tried to convince us to cancel the visit, promising that we will have a heap of trouble, but from our nepriklonnosti nerves they must have not survived, they opened Zapasnik - it was just room in their gallery - and began to make work

Unfortunately, he gave then not all work, but gave me a written promise to return them. Promises that he did not keep, so that on my next visit I intend to go to the police to start a criminal case on the remaining 10 works.

That's me in the fact that maybe you, Nastya, you need to go to the gallery and call the police? Worse certainly not be



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Старый 07.06.2010, 12:56 Язык оригинала: Русский       #92
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That's me to the fact that maybe you, Nastya, you need to go to the gallery and call the police?
I would immediately with the knight in police uniform came to be .. and with the voice recorder .. and with the camera (two: one hidden) ..



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Старый 07.06.2010, 13:18 Язык оригинала: Русский       #93
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She promised that they would come
And here? Or you again called and canceled the visit?



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Старый 07.06.2010, 14:56 Язык оригинала: Русский       #94
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And come? Or you again called and canceled the visit?
No, what came
I must say that the authorities did not look particularly menacing - bewildered policeman of 23 years, which obviously did not know how themselves in such cases must be waged, and was delighted when he was told that inuident exhausted. But anyway - the main thing is psychic attack. And then, he would still was some sort of complaint or something eto they called ...



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Старый 07.06.2010, 15:02 Язык оригинала: Русский       #95
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Liana, but in France such a situation is possible?



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Старый 07.06.2010, 15:17 Язык оригинала: Русский       #96
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Liana, and in France such a situation is possible?
I think that is even possible, and not only in France (remember Rabinovitch, who, by choosing a country of emigration, asked: "Tell me, you have no other globe?")

In Roginsky was history in the U.S.: one gallery owners, one Nahamkin, rare rogue and scoundrel, he bought a lot of work, signed all the papers and promised to send money but never paid. Misha went to New York, tried to do something, and then spat ...



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Старый 07.06.2010, 15:17 Язык оригинала: Русский       #97
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And then, he would have still made some sort of complaint or something eto they called ...
And this is important. Home would be. The fact call the police and the reason for the call would have been already documented, that "embarrassed policeman age of 23" would be selected from participants of the incident explanations, and after that would go in motion and all would look at the documents and not on the face of the precinct.
Your friend has done absolutely correctly.
Himself was present at the cases where very znachemy people who could call any of the general management region. ATC called on duty on the local department and also called a policeman. And I explained the procedure, so you need to start doing things the rules, we need the original paper with "land", calls will be much later.



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Старый 07.06.2010, 15:51 Язык оригинала: Русский       #98
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procedure is, you need to start doing things the rules, we need the original paper with" land ",
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, and all would look at the documents and not on the face of the precinct.
"Procedure", a magical notion about which creative people in the ground and stumble ...



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Старый 07.06.2010, 22:23 Язык оригинала: Русский       #99
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Looks like soon you change your nickname to "silent". <!--~ A ~-->
You'll never see!
As it became clear from the topic, the opponent has the opportunity to read the heiress messages. Do you think that my eloquence on a detailed analysis of the situation poiozhet Alferova?
I think that hurt. Therefore suggested, and offered its assistance in the closed mode - no eyes and ears of opponents. As the need to dismantle not only strong, but also weaknesses Alferova (and any other).
However, in this case, I certainly would lose a portion of "thank you".
Sites I like, but some order it seem to me wildly. Relation to vnovprishedshim and the mere existence of some titles. It turns out that many of the distinguished members of the forum are the "guru" only because they have received many "thank you" and not because of their deep and comprehensive knowledge. Like the ancient people used to say: "Not afraid of the powerful, as they are monkeys." That is the question.
Remains unchanged, and my position is that the relationship of the artist and gallery owner are not only (and not so much) the legal nature as moral and ethical. To Gallery "dead" enough to take away from it his work, and make public the reasons for this (wherever possible, both orally and in writing). With mass support Alferov, such action each forumchanina seems to me quite effective.
Another thing is that support for the forum and did something - completely different actions. The choice for everyone.
Because besides reminder to all of gallery on the legality and permanence rights of each artist, and the consequences can be determined by corporate interests of gallery. In respect of any.
Unfortunately, I must dispel some illusions members of the forum on the order of initiation of criminal proceedings and prosecution.
We live in the real world, which is defined by applicable law. Moreover, Russia and Ukraine do not (that's me to the views of the Ukrainian part of members of the forum).
Any criminal action is instituted only after consideration of the material testing prosecutors. This means that the material must include appropriate evidence of the case and the events of the crime, as well as intent.
Without outside help, a specialist on experience gained from the television series, to achieve this almost impossible. Prevent this, your konoshno-teoevizionnoe perception, cultivated to you (us all) power like. The role of propaganda in the art known to everyone.

Returning to the concrete.
Remember rule number 1: "Do not make a mistake that can not be repaired. Do not talk too much, do not write too much - it can turn against you. Consult an expert or an experienced person, or entrust the professionals do.
Two forumchanki fired "cavalry" attack on the gallerists. In connection policeman.
Results.
Part of the work returned.
NO. Napahali.
Police more uchastovat will not (false alarm - not brought the matter to the end).
The second such attack gallery owners have obviously prepared. There will be long and hard to shake your nerves and take a lot of your time.
On the basis set out their cir criminal case will not be prosecuted NEVER. The reasons I have outlined above.

It is not my wish or prophecy, and current legislation of Russia and the current practice (police, prosecutor and judicial).

Therefore, if something was left unclear, read rule number 1.



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It turns out that many of the distinguished members of the forum are the "guru" only because they have received many "thank you"
No, the "guru" gives the program only for the number of messages.
1000 messages, and you have "gurus".



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