What is art?

[tchaika]

Сообщение от luka77

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"Why is the road that does not lead to the temple?" - Remember her grandmother from the film "Repentance"?

A grandmother, there was a Veriko Andzhaparidze!

Portrait Veriko Andzhaparidze, painted by the artist Georgy Shishkin from nature in 1985.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от tchaika

Portrait Veriko Andzhaparidze, painted by the artist Georgy Shishkin from nature in 1985.

Good portrait.
And what size it is?

[SAH]

Сообщение от Peter

It is most regrettable is subjectivism we owe some politicians in the arts, where creativity of individual artists, musicians, poets silenced, or too long, making his way to lyudyam.Imenno subjective approach, crashed on the fate of one creative person . Moreover, because such an approach is not just provide some direction in art and declared harmful insignificant

I see a pleasant conversation "Yesterday was just an interesting place and there said, raised a toast, saying that everything in life goes on and what not to be avoided. "Somewhere a mountain somewhere in plain, everything has its place and purpose.

[tchaika]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

A good portrait.
And what size it is?
85th? A Veriko Ivlianovna in the early 87-m already dead. It is possible and the latter's lifetime? Portrait of a store where now? At home?

According to the catalog in 1995, the size of the portrait Veriko Andzhaparidze 100 x 90 cm
I think this is the last portrait of the actress in one's lifetime. I suppose that it is kept in the author - artist George Shishkin (like a portrait of Innocent Smoktunovsky, 1988). I saw this portrait at the First International Exhibition of pastels at CHA in Moscow in 2005. He exhibited there along with a dramatic portrait of the Ramaz Chkhikvadze in the role of King Lear (1987) and the painting "Russian Legend" (1992) - the first painting cycle "Russian Dreams" Georgy Shishkin (also - in the catalog).

[Peter]

Сообщение от sur

 Anyone subektiven, but objectively true.

Kinematograf.Skolko movies on the shelf for quite subjective reasons, how many books are not published, barred hudozhnikam.A you let people see, hear pochitat.Lyudi figure out someone is kto.Stop "What people? Townsfolk? Who Shishkina with Levitan confuses "Then all the art of painting is over for another mid-nineteenth veka.Muzyka Schnittke and Stravinsky, not poymut.Na exhibition Modigliani and Picasso, one could hear such comments as the print nelzya.Tak how to identify the product, now it Art?" Who judges? What is truth?

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Peter

I think the most correct the following thesis: "Real art is always an objective, but always subjective perception of it."

Сообщение от Artem

The real art should lead us to the truth (God) and /or glorify it, and the fruits of his labor.

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

For me, art is what I under no circumstances would not be able to repeat himself.
Even if I can learn a hundred years, even if I give the most sophisticated equipment and instruments, even if I offer any millions and billions.

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

Art - a priori subjective thing! Subjective ... from different sides ...

If art entirely subjective, nothing prevents you catch the red-haired cockroach and declare it a work of art. Even before this does not necessarily paint it and dress the pink cobweb - enough vision and creative will of the artist. (But if your artistic temperament would still require to cover the object with cobalt blue and call him "Blue Bird", the intrigue will only steeper.)

Of course, proponents of the objectivity of art jeopardize your masterpiece creations. Well, skeptics demonstrate objective artistic status beast has no problem: just proeksponirovat it in the gallery. And it does lead the argument will be selling the insect as an art object. For the right objective judgments about artistic value now belongs only to the global art market: if your art cockroach left more shark Hirst or Dali paintings, your glorious name of diamonds lay out on the tablets of history of art. (You will not succeed this trick? "So you're mediocre, and in art you do nothing. )

Documentation of the circumstances of capture and genetic examination of your artifact will provide its unique and will protect against forgery. Of course, you have attached to the red-haired envoy Mesozoic concept is so complex, original and profound (and what you are actually worse than Maeterlinck's mysticism with its execution of the works of God's creatures such as termites, ants and bees?) That a) recognizes Vladimir Chernomashentsev that will never be able to create something similar, and b) would motivate other members of the topography of the divine transcendence. And then everyone will have to admit: in front of us cockroach, subjective, objective, and any other artistic significance whose unshakable and undeniable.

And Lepo will - of harm productivity of future discussions on the essence of art - to take the infamous cockroach as a reference model, ideal representativeness desired substance. As well as a chorus to perform Spanish anthem, glorifying this model - La Cucaracha (cockroach).

[tchaika]

Сообщение от Peter

So how to define the product, now it art?

It seems to me, this art is the power that you take what you raise.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от Art-lover

If art entirely subjective, nothing prevents you catch the red-haired cockroach and declare it a work of art.

No, does not work.
Catch a million cockroaches of the same species and same size, painted them the same patented paint a la "Yves Klein, one of the banks, we get a million copies. Or you can recognize all these cockroaches in the face? Yves Klein does not recognize.

How eskpert announce that your proposal has not passed compatibility testing with my method otpredeleniya art. But for the fact that you have read my text, I declare "thank you".

[sur]

Сообщение от Art-lover

If art entirely subjective, nothing prevents you catch the red-haired cockroach and declare it a work of art

 I think the subjective opinion of the majority of participants vyshevyskazyvayuschihsya talk about to recognize or not recognize Prussian work of art, lean in the direction of its negation.
 If only because there is no fact of the expected creation of our object of art. Unless, of course, the fact that we did not catch cockroaches prirovnyaem the process of creative construction .
 In the "gallery" then you can even vodka to bottling torgavat, only then it will be called no gallery, but rumochnaia.
  I urge present at the forum gallery owners, conduct timely sanitary treatment facilities in order to prevent this SPREADING red plague .

  N E T - cockroaches and galleries .

[Peter]

Сообщение от Art-lover

For the right objective judgments about artistic value now belongs only to the global art market:

It's very tempting assertion, I do dumal.Vrode slozhivshaesya as the market price of the product is an objective indicator " quality art. "On the other hand the market reflects only the degree of attractiveness of investment in this facility, and about any artistic merit is not govorit.Bolee He equates the art as such and skillful art dilerom.A this subjectivity in kvadrate.Pro like a cockroach.