What is art?

[sur]

Сообщение от Artem

Can you imagine this kid called me yesterday. I have a little tube of hand falling out. And you know why? I asked the photo of the pictures in good quality. In arrogance, wonder such people. I have not heard it for 10 years. Chuvachek 100 years live, the nerves in order.

 How to call? And he, in general, explains?

Сообщение от Artem

Meet interesting!

 With him in Moscow more than my friend talking. He'd go if he this year? In theory this should Koktebel old party-goer. For thirty years there.

[luka77]

Сообщение от sur

"Why is the road that does not lead to the temple?" - Remember her grandmother from the film "Repentance"?

A grandmother, there was a Veriko Andzhaparidze !

Interest and interesting philosophical but it seems to me, at the same time futile (as well as the philosophy of Aristotle).

The answer to this question may vary from one and the same person depending on many factors, first of all - time.

How do I feel like art - it is "mirror of the soul" human, a reflection of his achievements and shocks, link between generations, and yet it Inspiration, leading us forward into the future ..

very lofty, in a different way here <!--~ 10 "->

[Игорь Гурьев]

Think simple and obvious:

Pair of disparate ideas - that's what art.

More precisely, there is only Arts pairing of disparate ideas.

On the other hand, art is a kind of revelation of God.

This gives important: ability to see familiar things differently.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от LCR

.... You have listened to all five Mozart violin concertos in a row - we can say that progammu was compiled not too successful, and violin concertos - not the best in Mozart, but I love them very much - and decided more do not listen to Mozart concerts, vyplesnuv way baby with the bathwater.
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Do not miss the chance to get acquainted with this wonderful music. Let us act on the principle: first look, read and listen, and then tried

   In the musical example, I tried to show the complete subjectivity of people's views about art. And you I helped. See how our opinions differ about Mozart? Without denying the great merits of this or that composer or artist, we choose for ourselves what we are closer in spirit. How to write a little earlier Sur: "see through the internal filter.
   Everyone chooses their own, based on its mind: someone closer to Mozart, Bach, someone, sometimes delighted by Rachmaninov, and others "crawl" from the circus.
   So artists: some of them carefully redraws predecessors, trying to bring their skills up to the ideal, but someone denies completely, inventing new directions. For viewers may also have different priorities depending on the stage of life: the joy of instant expressive abstraction can be replaced by careful viewing of complex graphics, where every detail has its importance.

What's better, more important?

All considered, touch and hear the impossible: not enough time nor money. So, we choose priritety based on personal subjective views of the beautiful!

[LCR]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

On muzakalnom example, I tried to show the complete subjectivity of people's views about art. /.../
Everyone chooses their own, based on its mind: someone closer to Mozart, Bach, someone, sometimes delighted by Rachmaninov, and others "crawl" from the circus.


What's better, more important?

All considered, touch and hear the impossible: not enough time nor money. So, we choose priritety based on personal subjective views of the beautiful!

This is both true and not true.

Of course, all chosen on the basis of the priorities of individual subjective perceptions of the beautiful or quite simply, from their tastes.

But tastes are brought up, and the more you read, listen, watch and try to understand what you read, listen, look, the more they are eclectic, the more different things are able to enjoy.

A person who does not know a counterpoint for the first time listener, say, English Bach suite, she might like (it happens, though rarely <!--~ a ~-->) But it is simply a reflection of his natural inclinations. In order to get into this music, understand it, the need for - even if the music is pleasing to his ears, he knows nothing about the fugue, its laws, and to identify, for example, rakohodnuyu fugu, you need to practice <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

To understand the polyphony of Bach can help and for understanding of Shostakovich (now that you mention it, but could result in the example of Beethoven or Schumann). I will cite only one example, his "musical signature" DEsCH (D-E-flat-to-B) - so he encrypted his initials (D. Sch ostakovitsch). This "signature" and the lovely, appears in dozens of his works in the most dramatic moments, sometimes inverted, increase, decrease, rakohodnom version, and learn to hear it - I think it makes a very special emotional context.

Well, to understand, then to accept and love. Or not?

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

You are no doubt largely correct. It is difficult to assess contemporary art, without further study (learn) his story. We often do it unconsciously: listening to radio excerpts of works (the question is the station at which a person is set), examining the illustrations in books (if a person opens the book), visiting concert halls and museums. But to fall in love with Rachmaninov piano concertos performed by Denis Matsuev and orchestra Mariininki with conductor Gergiev, not necessarily listen to all their predecessors, "and from".

But you are too on-scientific approach. This is a lot of one percent of people - professional art critics. I'm not ready for such.

[sur]

If we talk about these whales as Bach and Mozart, it must be if I do not love their work, then at least understand their contribution to world music. People versed in music theory say that these two composers, each in his time, brought to music the most significant innovations, which ultimately influenced the development and formation of the entire world of classical music.

 I confess, honestly, that in recent years did not listen to classical music alone, but often in the country get their portion, classical music, thanks to my mother, who loves the Russian composers .


 I myself love, mainly blues and jazz. The latter is considered as a special case of the blues.

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Сообщение от LCR

Well, to understand means to accept and love. Or not?

 And if you understand, but do not agree with the message of the author?
 I understand a lot, but not love. And, you can understand and remain indifferent .
 Is there ?

[LCR]

Сообщение от sur

And if you understand, but do not agree with the message of the author?
I understand a lot, but not love. And you can understand and remain indifferent.
Is not it?

No. Do not know. Do not necessarily agree with the author's promise to love his work.
I prefer to think that if I do not like it, something I do not understand. Another thing is that sometimes I do not want to understand.

Generally, in a sense, from himself, of course, can not escape. But the training of eye, ear, in my opinion, very important.
Once again give an example (I'm a man given): what attracts painting quite inexperienced person? First of all, the plot and what is drawn "as a living, grass - green, sky blue, everyone will know at a glance. The next stage - more or less surrealistic painting, often sliding just a "fantasy": "skill" there, and painted a strange and weird things, there must be some food for interpretation (the man is inherent literary relationship to painting, as in Russia, this tradition In my opinion, especially the tenacious). Well, and so on. It is much harder to estimate net art, whether it is figurative, but in which the plot is purely an auxiliary function, or abstract. It is not surprising that in a world far more fans Dali and Delvaux (and this is in the best case), rather than by Zurbaran, Chardin or Monticelli, of which very few people know.

Same thing can be said about music and literature. I will not be distributed, so as not to flood, but easy to understand things like immediately, in order to love, say, "Pale Fire", you need to work more than if you read, I do not know, Hemingway.

In general, all of this to finish the banal: without work and not catch fish from the pond

[sur]

Сообщение от LCR

do not necessarily agree with the author's promise to love his work.

 I thought, to make sense, I agree.

 But there is the same and the mass of trite and banal. We all I think we can understand it, but do not accept and not accept.
 I had this view .

[Peter]

Much to our regret, it is our duty to subjectivism, some politicians in the arts, where creativity of individual artists, musicians, poets silenced, or too long, making his way to lyudyam.Imenno subjective approach, crashed on the fate of one of the creative cheloveka.Malo addition, because such an approach not just provide some direction in art and declared harmful neznachitelnym.Subektivnoy policies of museums, we must ensure that their walls are fairly continuous thing, but there are no masterpieces, some interesting artists do not predstavleny.Nerazberihi in art adds an art business, which is always subektiven.Hudozhniki feel it ostree.Pochemu this painting is worth so much, and making others мастеровитее cheaper?. In general subjectivity brings chaos, authorities did not suschestvuet.Lyubuyu cheapness can be called art (because I think so), and conversely, any art crush . How trampled Vrubel to primeru.A if a person suddenly matured and realized (thanks to LCR <!--~ a ~-->), that he had a torn paper instead of litter lying is an art, carefully straightened it and it becomes stydno.A now feeling shame is very subjective.