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Сообщение от Tana

let us and we will work both in the U.S. or in Europe and studying them.

This is who you are now advise? Russians? Ukrainians?
Ha!

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Сообщение от Tana

online auction and what is different from the online stores?

And I do not know and do not want to be honest.
I know more. Antiques-specific "goods" under the general rules did not fall.
Do not wonder why, for example, can not be returned to the jewelry store?

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Сообщение от Tana

do not want to criticize someone and how to buy, anything can happen, you're also now picked up and bought without thinking twice, well, that in your case, all well and could be different with such a quick purchase , one might think that everything was bought only masterpieces and "puncture" or who have never been, do not believe it!

Correct.
But you do not know what was happening before bidding. I flew on the day of the auction and prior to the sale is not just walking through the halls, I saw three of their lot and did not believe his eyes, checking a number in the catalog and I have hair on his head moved: I saw the tremendous difference between the photographs of lots (photoshop Foreva! !) and their realnyim view. But it took my hair began to stir, and from what I remembered, but I'm on display had already ponakupil every evening at a friend's all day and see what surprises are there waiting for me.
And then I gave myself a vow: in absentia do not buy anything more, a maximum-ask friends to look in the real, to comply with my recommendations and see there and that's where I tell you.

Сообщение от Tana

Of course, returns in the auction because" he changed his mind "can not be, but clearly need to be spelled out rules, the terms in which claims are accepted, I think in Germany, a term of 2 years at Christie's auction and Sotheby's - 5 years, and why 28 days? "It's very, very right, this time perhaps even a full examination will not suffice.

The conversation is that buying 10 paintings, for example, okeanomi and then selling them at home in Шепетівці with horooooshim Navarro, everyone is silent in a rag and pohihikivayut of fun, and bought a dubious thing, just like little kids running to her mother with tears: return the money, ah-ah-ah-ah ... Give blood-e-e-e! vermin-burzhuinskie-e-e-e! you have no conscience, not Christians, and and and!
And I like the rule Gelos:
immutable principle of our auctions is "examined, Approved, Purchased" - after bidding claims for the items purchased will not be accepted.
http://www.gelos.ru/rules/
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Сообщение от Tana

But the argument about the fact that "his own fault, where watched" I think simply indecent, imagine, if you do start talking to each corner (if you purchase an apartment, car, repair, etc. )

There are other expressions.
For example, say you have at home:
Bachili очі, scho kupuvali!
Or as they say in my town: Do you instead of eyes lamb eggs?

Antique business-business and this thing is hard.
The participants in this business must have the courage to admit their mistakes and not blame them uncle s Штатів not whine and do not shed tears for lost money two years ago.

[uriart]

That statement read, KS and give the impression that he represents the interests of the auction house Shapiro.
Rc! You must admit, we all become clear.
Well, people working in such a team, so what? Works a yes and let rabotaet.Nichego wrong with this.
Then we will be easier to handle claims.
Still, Russia is closer than America!

As for 28 days.
My personal opinion is that Shapiro is a special trick.
And I think so.
If Shapiro is on a par with such major auction houses like Christie's and Sotebis (and he wants to look like!) And let them take in its rules for filing claims
AT LEAST! - Two years.
I believe that the parties should have equal rights - and the seller and the buyer!
But it turns that Shapiro only protects their interests.
A buyer is still on his side. And he half, what will happen!
Money is received, and that's it!

Now the second!

Let Shapiro declares in its rules a list of experts whose views he considers fair.
Unfortunately, he finds only an objective opinion!
And this will have consequences - all wrong. There is no innocent!

Here Maroussia rightly suggests Shapiro.
Kohl goes here to let advertising and write all the answers to our questions.

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Сообщение от uriart

If Shapiro is on a par with such major auction houses like Christie's and Sotebis (and he wants to look like!) let them and accepts in its rules for filing claims
AT LEAST! - Two years.

Let Shapiro declares in its rules a list of experts whose views he considers fair.
Kohl goes here with advertising let and write all the answers to our questions.

Listen, you is a great specialist in the auction trade.
You would not give other tips on conducting their business, but most is time to open the auction house, is not limited to advice others.

[Tana]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

Do not wonder why, for example, can not be returned to the jewelry store?

Cyril Syzranskiy probably can not be returned to Russia, Ukraine, and in the U.S. and Europe can, within 30 days, sometimes 14 days (on receipt of this written).

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

And I like the rule Gelos:
immutable principle of our auctions is "examined, Approved, Purchased" - after bidding claims for the items purchased will not be accepted.
http://www.gelos.ru/rules/

I also like it when once everything is clear about the returns, it would be nice if the auction house, which is not going to make returns and wrote: "The authenticity can not guarantee otvetetvennosti not accept, do not make a return, all purchases are made at your own risk "(something like that already seen in the German online auction), then the questions for this auction is not (that's only if they want to say so, it's optugnet buyers?)

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

And then I gave myself a vow: in absentia do not buy anything more, a maximum-ask friends to look in the real, to comply with my recommendations and see there and that's where I tell you.

I agree with you that the Internet, in the photo, often all much prettier

[uriart]

Сообщение от Tana

I also like it when once everything is clear about the returns, it would be nice if the auction house, which is not going to make returns and wrote: "The authenticity can not guarantee otvetetvennosti not accept, refund will not do, all purchases are made at your own risk "(something like that already seen in the German online auction), then the questions for this auction is not (that's only if they want to say so, it's optugnet buyers

And I am about it!
Should be fair to claim the refund and put the normal date for the return as such, if there is a necessity.
And not only do subtle rules for themselves.
What then is the buyer?
Some risks and nothing more.
This is the wrong approach!
SUN, Cyril Syzranskiy you why I do not sell yourself fuflyaki?
Here. Because you know how it would end.
But others allow themselves to do it, and yes even in the open auctions.
Frankly I was surprised by your position.

[artcol]

Сообщение от uriart

What then is the buyer?

And what remains to the seller (committent)? Wait six months for something? Gelos rights, Sotheby's and Christie's - is one thing, Shapiro - is different.

[uriart]

artcol, I have this question were not in vain.
Human Gelos or not - even though they specifically write what and how.
Guidelines auction should be competent experts and carefully examine the goods offered by consignor. And reduce their risk and purchasing at least.
Otherwise, customers have easy trick.
After all, the galleries owners give 100%guarantee of authenticity.
Suppose that it is more expensive than anywhere else, but reliable.

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I want to remind that the auction house is not an expert agency.
At our auctions you can see in the description of a remark "Examination Centre Grabar", "Examination GosNNIRa", "Examination of V. Petrov," etc.
The same can be and western auctions to see.
If the deliverer is concerned about the desire for a thing to the maximum, it tries to provide as much information on its subject. This also applies to part Provenance.
Well, just yesterday a friend of thing-showing her at the auction was an exhibition catalog, where ekponirovalas bought her, this picture, receipt from 1957, to buy the things at the same exhibition, etc . etc.
Auctions and without examination, and take things without provenance, but only at the start of the minimum lot size and an experienced dealer has a choice: take a dear with expertise or hope you can make "an accurate shot," "get into the top ten, deshego buy a decent thing see gem in a pile ...
And none of this do for you will not, no auction will not try to help you make money from easy. Stay home from companies and on-line betting, in my mind is already counting prybylYa easily that much there. But the risk of getting fuflyak with such a strategy is high. No?

What else: long said about not chasing you would, pop, for cheapness, "and about" pike to fish awake, "etc. e.

[artcol]

Сообщение от uriart

artcol, I have this question were not in vain.
Human Gelos or not - even though they specifically write what and how.
Guidelines auction should be competent experts and carefully examine the goods offered by consignor. And reduce their risk and purchasing at least.
Otherwise, customers have easy trick.
After all, the galleries owners give 100%guarantee of authenticity.
Suppose that it is more expensive than anywhere else, but reliable.

Well this is the same market - the balance of interests (interest). Some auction sales of its reputation, some antiques. The former can be safely attributed Sotheby's and Christie's, with their long history. For them, putting it at risk because of the questionable lots - is inadequate. But Shapiro does not have such a history, he sells antiques. He brought the goods consignor, Shapiro appreciated their interest and exhibited. Or not exhibited. Guided by whether it something else? Reputational risks, for example? Yes unlikely. That's the antiques. In fact, Shapiro - an analogue Dryuo - dealer auction, so that no one talked about it.

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Сообщение от uriart

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Guidelines auction should be competent experts and carefully examine the goods offered by consignor. And reduce their risk and purchasing at least.
Otherwise, customers have easy trick.
After all, the galleries owners give 100%guarantee of authenticity.
Suppose that it is more expensive than anywhere else, but reliable.

Here's my personal experience: A few days ago, Mr. Shapiro asked me to confirm the authenticity of the proposed work for which he Rogniskogo, which I did, because the work was most certainly (and very, I think, a good ).
I have already written on the forum, when I found out in his catalog fake job Roginsky and told him that he had taken it off the auction, and I'm sure taking it, he really thought she was genuine. He listened to my arguments and took them, while some other auctions in general did not react to my observations, quite grounded.

What I want to say? Not that his auction was not suspicious of things, but I think he's a just goodwill. And now here it channeled all claims to the auctions, in particular, to trade online, and I think that this is somehow unfair.

I am aware that some claims can be substantiated. I am confused by the general tone of the story.
Can you try to solve the problem peacefully?

P.S. Hundred per cent guarantee in the galleries can be, and give, but fakes still happens to sell