Elegant coffee silver service (beginning of the twentieth century)

[Евгений]

Сообщение от usynin2

But what is given to the expert opinion

If the expert is not aware of the forgery or not understood in essence, no responsibility, if I knew - would be responsible under fraud ... (with the seller of goods if the buyer proves that the test is false, but it should still prove).

[Constanta]

There are experts on this topic Gilodo AA or Muntean TN http://artinvestment.ru/about/council/
 You should go to them and to consult, and then the price to ask questions ...[/QUOTE]

I. .. how do I do this, my dear Eugene?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Eugene

There are experts on this topic Gilodo AA or Muntean TN

Andrew Akimovich need to call the All-Russian State Museum of Applied Arts, where he was head of the department of metal and stone.
And Tatiana Nikolaevna already in the Armory.


Added after 33 seconds

Сообщение от Eugene

, these experts have worked in GIM (Red Square) to find the phone and call the museum ..

Yes? This is when?

[uriart]

lazycat, at the airport in Vienna sold items made by this company.

[Евгений]

uriart, Jura, and the sample is also 84?

[lazycat]

Сообщение от uriart

lazycat, at the airport in Vienna sold items made by this company.

This is a crime, or what?

[Евгений]

Сообщение от lazycat

Items not produced in Russia. Therefore the sample can bet what they want. A 84-th set, so it was clear that they - continue the traditions.

Сообщение от lazycat

This is criminal or what?

Counterfeit samples of products from dragmetalov is a classical type of fraud, the demand for such antiques and generates speculators to make them zalipuhi .. Manufacture and sale of such one may say "antique products is also a criminal offense.
Where izgotoveli this shit in principle, does not matter ..
------------------------------------------------
Criminal Code, Statya159 .....
4. Fraud committed by an organized group or a large scale, -
shall be punished with imprisonment from five to ten years with a fine of up to one million rubles or the salary or other income for the period up to three years or without it and with a restriction of liberty for a term not exceeding two years, or without it.
(In the edition. Federal Law of 27.12.2009 N 377-FZ)

Criminal Code, Article 181. Faulty manufacture and use of public hallmark
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
 Article 181. Faulty manufacture and use of public hallmark
       1. Unauthorized manufacture, sale or use, as well as falsification of public hallmark committed for mercenary or other personal interest -
       punishable by a fine of two hundred to five hundred minimum wages or salary or other income for a period of two to five months, or imprisonment for up to three years.
       2. The same acts, if committed repeatedly or by an organized group - shall be punished with imprisonment for a term of five years.

Comm. Alexander M. Yakovlev (lawyer)

       1. Public hallmark - a sign of establishing a single sample, confirming the contents of the precious metal in the product. Stamping - This assay-manufacturing operation causing an imprint on the state hallmarks jewelry and other household products, precious metal which previously tested by approved methods.
       2. According to the Statutes of the samples and branding of products from precious metals in the Russian Federation, approved by Presidential Decree of 2 October 1992. No.1152 (Vedomosti RF, 1992, No.41, st.2284), all manufactured in the territory of the Russian Federation, jewelry and other household products made of precious metals, intended for sale or execution of orders as well as exported abroad, must comply samples established by this Regulation, and be stigmatized hallmark public.
       3. Stamping products from precious metals government hallmark and related activities (testing, sampling, test samples, etc.) produced by territorial government inspections Assay Office. The rules of branding, the procedure related works, the signs of the state assay, the methods of sampling, sampling and analysis are established by the federal authority on precious metals and precious stones.
       4. Unauthorized manufacture, sale or use, tampering with public hallmark substitute for state certification of quality jewelry discretion perpetrator, while pursuing selfish or other personal goals. This assay may be true, but its manufacture, sale or use is not authorized in the manner prescribed by law, or be fake. In both cases, criminal liability arises under st.181 this Code.
5. The subjective aspect of the crime is characterized by direct intention.

[dedulya37]

"... Unlock Code for any page
And I can not - I read until the end ... "(c)
till morning

[uriart]

Eugene, in the hands not kept. I plan to soon be in Vienna, then certainly I will take and discuss in detail

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Brand with the 84th breakdown does not mean to commit a crime and likely to have wide application of Article 181 Violation of the rules of manufacture and use of public hallmark.
And putting a stamp of Klebnikov or Faberge, not necessarily fall under Article Statya159 Fraud.

Added after 2 minutes

Сообщение от Eugene

Counterfeit samples of products from dragmetalov is a classical type of fraud, the demand for such antiques and generates speculators to make them zalipuhi .. Manufacture and sale of such one may say" antique products is also a criminal offense .

It is not.
Fraud on-a theft of another's property or buying another's property by deception or abuse of trust.
Here the same sale, has cheated on his hands an object which he bought.