How to unleash the artist

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Сообщение от Konstantin

artist every week, wrote on tablets - March 10, 2009, a week later, March 17, 2009" and so many years.

It is part of happenings, action, gesture!

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Сообщение от Konstantin

promotion through auctions thing thin and expensive. If the paintings were worth $ 000 2000-10, and then suddenly at some auction sale took place 100 000 $. And at this price drove two men, all intelligible to all. And at the same time note that the auction to pay 20-30%of the auction, but still possible and in a country where the purchase, will have to pay tax. Total raskrutchik for such an operation is losing $ 30-40. The result is zero, the prices will not rise to the artist. I know of some examples. To raise the prices will take years and money and a lot of work. And still not a fact.

Constantine - I agree with you. And now, it would bring their point of view that come from real knowledge - observation and action.
Now we are talking about let's say our modern art.
As far as you know, there are galleries in Russia, engaged in real art. business. They also need to work with someone and not just spin artists but to make money on them. One time in Moscow was a boom in art - and for that it would be more nourishing, you need to create an aura about the artist. Many of those who has galleries - are interested in what would scroll through the auction of his artworks. Everyone understands that after the sale at auction - would have a chain reaction of the contingent purchase - which is very important and beautifully presented to wrapper. To do this, do not spare money and are doing everything possible that the market might live and acquired skill.
And for these purposes is an option that you have written completely appropriate.
Our contemporary art is not his own person and it is a fact. There is only vanity galleries - but the Western market has not yet reacts as if responding, the auction prices for them are not significant.
So exactly what happened and with the Ukrainian landing in 2009. But still understand that there was lucky - someone there was taken and why there was taken.
And Constantine is a very important thing - Kabakov not realize themselves in America - and Dasha Zhukova paid for his homecoming -) In the same way Royburd was in America until he was brought back to Ukraine.
And not a few important fact - a serious Western press is not much fan of our art, and as is the case with the critics. And this is a very important component in the world of art.

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Сообщение от Buscador

You are like a child, garlic word. Instead of professional debate over Barcelona ... What do you want, so dopekayut my Spanish roots. Do you have that are left, which blasphemes against the past and did not see the future. If all the time to sit in the basement and can be recognized, that the house was built ...

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To the extent that you do not know me, you can not judge me as a "raskrutchike." We are simply discussing the possibility of creating conditions for normal work in our market. In the best of their ability trying to do it ... Fortunately, there are gallery in Kiev, which has similar views on the issue. Yes, I think, and not one ...

Sorry, but you can name this picture?

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Сообщение от noart

Kabakov not realize themselves in America - and Dasha Zhukova paid for his homecoming -)

What nonsense?
Kabakov in America with a 88-year lives, and the project "Ilya and Emilia Kabakov. Moscow Retrospective. Alternative History of Art and other projects" was shown in Moscow in 2008 to 5-year anniversary of the author, by this time already received worldwide fame Kabakov . Glory, not fame.

Certificate in recognition of Ilya Kabakov in contemporary art has led to numerous international awards: an honorary prize Venice Biennale (1993), awarded after showing the installation "The Red Pavilion", a prize fund of the same name by Joseph Beuys in Basel, attribution the title of Commander of the French Ordena Fine Arts and Literature and an honorary doctorate from the University of Bern (2000), etc.

You are not a topic, that's for sure, some mention of visits "art. Forums" ...

The works Kabakovs proud of the leading museum collections and their exhibitions are at the most prestigious exhibition venues. Their installation "The man who flew into space" (Paris, Centre Georges Pompidou, 1989), "Bridge" (New York, Museum of Modern Art, 1992), "Life flies" (Cologne, Kunsthalle, 1992), "Toilet" (Kassel, Paper IX, 1992) and others has become a significant work for the art of the twentieth century. Museum in Wiesbaden in 1999, acquired the installation of "Red Wagon", intends to devote an entire wing of the creativity of artists in the new part of the exhibit.

Ah, a connoisseur of ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

What kind of nonsense?
Kabakov in America with a 88-year lives, and the project "Ilya and Emilia Kabakov. Moscow Retrospective. Alternative History of Art and other projects" was shown in Moscow in 2008 at the 75 th anniversary of the author, by this time already received worldwide fame Kabakov . Glory, not fame.

You are not a topic, that's for sure, some mention of visits "art. Forums" ...
Ah, a connoisseur of ...

Dasha Zhukova finances return artist Ilya Kabakov home
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MOSCOW, August 13 - RIA Novosti, Maria Ganiyants. Daria Zhukova Fund finances large-scale project "Ilya and Emilia Kabakov. Moscow Retrospective. Alternative History of Art and other projects, which will start on three art venues in Moscow in September, told RIA Novosti curator Joseph Backstein.

"The cost of this ambitious project, which will begin Sept. 15 and runs until mid-October, about 3 million dollars. About 250 thousand dollars has given the Ministry of Culture, 300 thousand - Company ArtMedia Group, and everything else - this fund Iris, which belongs to Director Centre for Contemporary Culture Garage, Dasha Zhukova, "- said the curator.

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According to him, all of Kabakovs presented in this project, Russia has not previously seen.

"Ilya and Emilia Kabakov have left Russia in 1988, then lived in Paris, then moved to New York, where he settled. Kabakov returned to Moscow two years ago, when galeristka Stella Kay invited him to participate in an exhibition at the Hermitage . But this event was though very interesting, but all the same chamber. Therefore, Moscow project is intended primarily as a return to the homeland of the great artist "- he added.

He explained that the project, which includes mainly the work of recent years, will unfold in three stages - in the center of modern culture "Garage", Pushkin Museum of Fine and the Centre for Contemporary Art "Winery".

"First of all, 15 September, will open specially created for the Pushkin Museum installation" Gates ", which includes art objects, paintings and drawings. The next day, start a large-scale exhibition in the Garage: it comprises object" Red Wagon " made for the exhibition of the Museum of Art in Vienna, and the installation of "Alternative History of Art" - said the agency.

Finally, on 17 September "Vinzavod" projects will be presented Kabakov's "Life of the Flies", "Tennis Game" and "Toilet".

According to the curator, "Toilet" - an exact copy of the object, which Kabakov created in 1992 for the documenta in Kassel: "This is a classic outdoor toilet, which looks like inside the apartment. Then, many visitors have decided that people in Russia sometimes live in the toilets. "

Backstein believes that Ilya Kabakov - the last great Russian artist. "The death of Solzhenitsyn's from an era of" great. "It is no longer of great writers, poets, artists, and there are stars - expensive and well sold. But the difference is palpable - the great born, but the stars are doing. Communicating with Kabakov, you realize that this man says with the world "to you" as the poet Joseph Brodsky, "- he said.

The curator does not doubt that the most famous contemporary Russian artists, Kabakov was not accidental. "The most radical of the galaxy of talented conceptualists 60-ies, only Kabakov could create a whole universe, to simulate a society in which we lived, and hold him in the history of Russia. His works are so multilayered and the many meanings that can be endlessly interpreted in They are present simultaneously with Khrushchev and Brezhnev, and Gogol's characters, "- said the agency interlocutor.

The curator gave an example, when in New York, Ronald Feldman Gallery, was Kabakov installation, in which he produced an exhibition of his favorite characters - the artist Stjepan Kosheleva in the museum of the city of Barnaul. "He painted the walls a dark green color and made them the picture of his character. The main trick was that on this design Kabakov spent tubes and simulated leak: water poured down on spectators and substituted at the bottom of the pots. It is a familiar story to us - the roof Museum passes. Americans do not understand, thought - Repair "- he said.

In this case, according to the curator, it was not clear what is the subject of art - paintings, or the impression of installation.

Ilya Kabakov - the most famous and expensive Russian artist. Born in Dnepropetrovsk, with 70 years of XX century it became one of the leading Russian unofficial art. The main motive of early works by Kabakov - simple Soviet communal flat, immersed in an atmosphere of mysterious absurdity. In February 2007, the work Kabakov "Beetle" (1982), exhibited at auction Phillips de Pury & Co, was sold for nearly $ 6 million.
Take a look and compare from year to year, there is a big gap -))) But now, invest and promote so to speak (in my old age). And I will say more. For me personally, if a particular artist, was caught copying someone something, it simply ceases to exist - as a person. It is a pity that we do not see how all thrown in the trash after a year. You can see Cyril tip of the iceberg, but see below. This vector art invented, in order that the masses would be bred - to do something stayuschee currently expensive and not profitable -)). better show the garbage man and say it's cool and prestige - and all went to buy bins - haystack - taps - toilets - dead slave - and dissected animals. But this is not something that implies this conceptual art - I assure you. Just look deeper and look not much further than Russia. It is desirable to ride and see and touch.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

I agree on 100.

Although fun happen. That's every year at the fair Maastricht (familiar always come and tell) does not remember the name of the artist every week wrote on tablets - March 10, 2009, a week later, March 17, 2009, "and so many years. So what? Five years ago, it was funny and worth tens of thousands, this year again is ridiculous, but is already under 400 tons $.

Constantine - it's just the topic.

The results of 2007. Why AES + F not given the award by Kandinsky? [22.12.07]

Calmels Cohen (Paris, France), 2005 "Notre Dame de Paris" (1996), appraisal $ 986 - $ 1,233. Not sold

As a result, in the motion of modern Russian artists to the market leading AES + F (AES + F) for one's career, to quote Walter Robinson, are the deep pockets of the owners of the gallery "Triumph".

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Curator of Russian povilona Venice Biennale, director Olga Sviblova MDF is known for its bizarre statements about the works of Russian artists, which she sympathizes. Not so long ago in an interview, she reported that a group of AES + F, "one of the most intelligent artists of our time ... actually predict the future. Their work" Islamic Project "96 года predicted .. [and] the tragedy of September 11. .. " To this she added that the Islamic project "was purchased by all the major museums of modern art. A good contemporary art is interesting is how the telescope in the future." Last sentence looks like news in light of the very few auction sales AES, consisting of four trades work out "Islamic Project" in the French auction Calmels Cohen in 2005. Of the 4 photos (all are copies 8 copies) was sold at three price $ 1,198, $ 2,847 and $ 3,297. Work "Notre Dame de Paris" with an estimate $ 986 - $ 1,233 could not find a buyer.


The Onion Online vs AES + F: "Conceptual Terrorists packed tower
Sears store in fruit jelly

However, two years things would change and it is likely that the efforts of the gallery "Triumph of the artists are now actually are in the collections of" all the major museums in the world. " This, according to Olga Sviblova (gif.ru), a third copy of the video AEC "Last Riot", shown at this year's Venice Biennale, was sold for 300,000 euros, the sale of 5 of those copies. Accordingly, the exhibition at the Russian Museum for the AEC in the spring of this year, for which the triumph of post holders who paid $ 600,000, probably already paid off. In turn, Deutsche Bank, known for his influence on the market, "the young" art, was attentive to the group. In a press release about the outcome of established Kandinsky Prize, which lists only the names of artists, the winners and mentions the name of AES + F, not marked by the jury.

There is nothing reprehensible in the aggressive promotion of AES + F on the market, as their dealer - Gallery Triumph openly said in an interview - it's a business.

One way or another, but I must admit that the remark Olga Sviblova true: after the events of 11 September media attention to the creativity of the AEC has slightly increased, which has been identified, for example, like this article: Grand Theory /Grand Tour: Negotiating Samuel Huntington in the Grey Zone of Europe. However, in addition to underlining the link between the project and the attacks on America of 9 /11, the text has almost no relationship to the "Islamic Project". In particular, his philosophical calculations, including reference to Bart, Huntington, Roeck and others do not have any apparent connection with the debated works of art. Specifically, they relate to him in the same way as, say, a project magazine The Onion "Conceptual Terrorists packed tower Sears store in fruit jelly. At the same time, what we see in the "Islamic Project" - the possibility of an infinite replication of successful progress with collaging Muslim domes - should be regarded as a highly original cultural and architectural fantasies on a given topic.

Work from the exhibition AES + F in MMOMA. One of the panellists - Vladimir Fridkes -
popular photographer with the Russian edition Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, GQ, AD ...

Around the same way, but rather less distinct, because narrative is essentially absent - using AES + F and when you create a "children's" series ("Last Riot", etc). It seems that they are based on the work group member, photographer Vladimir Fridkesa, which borrows the characteristic techniques from the world of glossy photos, while bringing in her moment of pseudo-violence. An interesting experiment in the field of contemporary fashion photography.


The owners of the Moscow gallery "Triumph" share the secrets of the art marketing [09/10/07]

A recent interview with Bill [Bill. All your entertainment Petersburg № 111, 8-21 October 2007; text online], founders of the gallery "Triumph", Emelyan Zakharov, Dmitry Hankin their aim to change public taste. Dmitry Hankin: "We can no longer fartsevat from the trunk - all point. You can not get the thing in a million from the trunk, even if it is his Bentley, and show it somewhere in a secluded corner of the cafe, taking a bag of garbage from rags stuck tape. And you people, respectively, the money transfers in the newspaper. Or in the box under "Panasonic". Of course, there are still runners and Zhigunov, as we call them, are settling to a financial channel and they are right there, into the study. They sit for hours in the waiting room, and then the prices charged, that we, rogues, it becomes uncomfortable. We do not know and do not want to be able to. We ambitiously believe that we must change public taste. "

On the question of how to define art gallery run by a "Triumph", Dmitry Hankin said: "Many great art style. Who is the last time there was no en masse. We have consistently advocates of figurative art, consistent supporters of rather simple criterion - the beauty." Among other things, Emelyan Zakharov retract (such as in an interview with "big city", he replied impartially on Russian art), said: "About the Russian contemporary art, I did not say anything. I'm talking about classical Russian art. Yes, I do not like . A contemporary - it is excellent, because it is in the mainstream. "

In an interview with gallery owners textbook knowledge sets out options for promoting their own artists on the market. First of all, it is forming a hierarchical relationship with the Russian museums through joint or exchange exhibitions with shocking cash costs ($ 600,000 for the exhibition AES + F at the Russian Museum). Perspective - cultivation examples of works in museum collections.
Among other things, according to Hankin, "Gallery" Triumph "was initially scheduled to be a gallery of galleries, a mediator between the galleries and a group of wealthy otvyazantsev, because if someone does not buy the artist, we have it suddenly start to buy: Emelyan knows some specific vibrations to persuade. Then we realized that our Contemporary business is much more dynamic than expected, and we are likely now somehow marginalize this activity. " This idea found its illustration in nedavney organizing presentations journal Sitizen K "in the space of the gallery. Swiss glossy fashion magazine - a project of the publishing house Kommersant - ousted from the walls of "Triumph" character art art scene. Their place (at least tap in the press) took the businessmen and habitues of Moscow exact same secular parties and presentations of expensive boutiques and beauty salons. Among observed at the presentation:

Screenwriter, actress Renata Litvinova with her mom
Chief editor of Russian Newsweek "Leonid Parfenov and his wife
TV presenter Ksenia Sobchak
Businessman Vahe Engibaryan (also known as a "diplomat" and former fiancé Ksenia Sobchak)
Singer Valery Syutkin
Member of the Board of Directors of Alfa Bank Alexander Gafin with wife
designer Denis Simachev
politician Andrei Kozyrev and his wife
Editor-Sitizen K "Sergei Nikolaevich
Businessman Alexander Mamut
Actress Olga Dykhovichny
French stylist and publisher Gerard Kapoff
Head of the Joint Control press service and information of the President of Russia Natalya Timakova
political columnist for the Associated Press, Alexander Budberg
Singer Zemfira has exercised in the gallery with concert
Chief editor of newspaper "Kommersant" Andrey Vasilyev
Chairman of the Board of Directors of Alfa Group Mikhail Fridman

(Source - Kommersant.ru)
New players enter the art market its own rules, by aggressive marketing, in many respects similar to the strategies of some foreign dealers focused on the creation of art stars. Not long ago, the Russian Museum has included in his collection of sculpture artists "Triumph" - a group AES + F will also provide Russian pavilon at the last Venice Biennale.

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Сообщение от Pavel

I have something to doubt that it was not already, and Kolesnikov, in my opinion very improper mowing a Leonardo?
It seemed to me that the night is not very expressive, not constructed and therefore resemble wallpaper.

Mach really inspired by someone (his style is not), naively believing that she would do better - or sell) in Kiev month exhibited her paintings - zero sales.

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

You do not have to choose. Work freely and enthusiastically. If you want to work in any gallery, then, of course. she chooses a particular style, which preaches. If that dealer, he also natural. find a picture to your style ... The main thing that is interested ... A solo exhibition, I think, needs to be done on the basis of the demand appears. If the interest is serious, it can hold and a comprehensive exhibition, showing all the facets of his talent. But this is solved in the process of productive work ... Purely theoretically there is nothing to decide ...

"And that in Ukraine there are good dealers of art?

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Сообщение от noart

You can see Cyril tip of the iceberg, but do not look below.

OK, let's explain it, I'm there "below" must see?
What? Who?
Come on, you also ride on the "art. Farum, here and tell ...
And I see many, many copied from every Russian media. I have it myself without you-can-read ...
And you that I read?

Сообщение от noart

But this is not something that implies this conceptual art - I assure you

"assert" does not have-tell and show.
And that turns out next:

Сообщение от noart

Mach really inspired by someone (not her style),

By Mach "inspired"? Do not you know?
But you know that "inspired". Funny as ...
His style is not.
You are, in fact, what is all this writing?
Have you already written a hundred times on secondary Ukrainian Contemporary, all of you already know about it. Thank you, you are free.
No, you as zaezzhinaya plate again the same thing: I went there, looked and touched. I advise you now:

Сообщение от noart

It is desirable to ride and see and touch.

Read. All? No more you advice. OK. I hope that those who are on this forum is art is interesting, go to the "art. Forum" and see "real" Contemporary and even "touch" him.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

OK, let's explain it, I'm there "below" must see? What you are today excited))
Say you like Kabakov - not paying attention to jewelry?

What? Who?
Come on, you also ride on the "art. Farum, here and tell ...
And I see many, many copied from every Russian media. I have it myself without you-can-read ...
And you that I read?
It would be written in the Western media - I would have referred to them - but unfortunately not (((
What can you do if not. But in our media is sensible journalists who cover art, though more of those that write to order, but it costs))
What do you want to learn about art. forums? That's how they sell our countrymen? I tell you frankly - not much going. At one time I was naive like you and having read these rankings, could not afford to grasp. What is ... .. they read a summary of the auction, all the super - is selling, then I see this artist at FIAC - Frizz-something do not give him the price at which he successfully sold at auction. I became interested in why it is so - I explained - that if you have what it oligarch buys it, it does not mean we should buy it again -)))) not understand. Then I was told - that you like? I say that there is no (but it does not mean that it can not appeal to another) - then I will explain more clearly. I mean, all this again and we doubt that this is a good investment in this product. Then I began to myself to watch. and yet they were right.


"assert" does not have-tell and show.
And that turns out next:


By Mach "inspired"? Do not you know?
But you know that "inspired". Funny as ...
"His style is not.
You are, in fact, what is all this writing?
Have you already written a hundred times on secondary Ukrainian Contemporary, all of you already know about it. Thank you, you are free.
No, you as a worn out record again the same thing: I went there, looked and touched. I advise you now:

Read. All? No longer you have advice? OK. I hope that those who are on this forum is art is interesting, go to "art. Forum" and see "real" Contemporary and even "touch" him.

Now, about Mach and already I've been an eyewitness.
A week ago, came to me one of my good friend from France, stayed in hotels Hayyaat in Kiev. He decided to demonstrate exposure to the gallery on the first floor. At the same time I told him that what she claimed, sold at auction - in general it is our Ukrainian everything. We went, we - he looked the picture, and asked me - what price, pointing to the work. I told him jokingly told Le prix bon - seulement $ 3000 - he looked at me sought for what? Then I announced to him the real price, which stands in the gallery - well, it is not for the French emotions -)))) A man understands the art and he has a good collection of contemporary artists.
Here is Cyril and response. By painting did not hang next directory, and people look at the product and if they like, the presence of auction sales. only to consolidate the buyer the right choice.
If I transfer under whom she squints - I think too much to write. I do not want to do it. My personal opinion - it is not a serious artist and paints pictures like a machine gun, while coming up on the basis of whose equipment is not a lot and everything is ready to show -)) Now I heard it something new in Odessa on display - supposedly insolation video) ) Fruitful what Oksana
You do not answer my questions - A bucket of garbage like you - like it?
Allow me to do, because I consider it necessary and proper. Tell me how me and what do I think is not kosher Cyril. I do not instructed what to do and how you write less. I noticed that you're on the forum and everywhere on any topic)))

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Сообщение от noart

then I see this artist at FIAC - Frizz-that do not give him the price at which he successfully sold at auction

What's the artist?
More specifically let's not be obscure to the fence ...


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Сообщение от noart

Allow me to do, because I consider it necessary and proper.

I will allow it, allow it administration.
You have to flood point ...

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Сообщение от noart

And the man understands the art and he has a good collection of contemporary artists.
Here is Cyril and response.

And, yes, yes ...
A good answer: one Frenchman said.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

OK, let's explain it, I'm there "below" must see?
What? Who?
Come on, you also ride on the "art. Farum, here and tell ...
And I see many, many copied from every Russian media. I have it myself without you-can-read ...
And you that I read?


"assert" does not have-tell and show.
And that turns out next:


By Mach "inspired"? Do not you know?
But you know that "inspired". Funny as ...
"His style is not.
You are, in fact, what is all this writing?
Have you already written a hundred times on secondary Ukrainian Contemporary, all of you already know about it. Thank you, you are free.
No, you as a worn out record again the same thing: I went there, looked and touched. I advise you now:

Read. All? No longer you have advice? OK. I hope that those who are on this forum is art is interesting, go to the "art. Forum" and see "real" Contemporary and even "touch" him.
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You excuse me, the impression kicked GR everywhere eccentric, which again comes and mutters a mantra and tighter ...
him in the door, and he was in the window. (c)
You are here to 17.02.2010 and you have 104 messages, but no one theme.
Want to say something-group, specify and give a theme.
No, you are ready to go, gets someone else's message and begin to build a passage about yourself superznayuschem-any building on something, which can not understand. I, for example. A kind of eternal work of the engine at idle. Going want? So you release the brake with the handbrake or something, speed Design your ... What's on neytralke something gazovat?
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This overflow of your texts:






Here's your main message: "fuckers," "divorced," "bush", etc.
Only words, words, words ...

I am interested in the topic, as the roll out of the artist. You're trying to engage me in a verbal skirmish. Sorry Cyril but I no longer answer is not to one of your post.
The topic is interesting and I'm ready to read and write constructs. You convince hard, and I will not do. And if you know how to unleash the artist. Come in, with pleasure esteem

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Сообщение от noart

at me they do not make any impression on you as a rating of auction.

I do not know what a "ratings auction.
I know what the auction record, I know that this estimate, I know that such care or hammer price, I know what the buyer's premium.

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noart, should rejoice ANY promote artists from the CIS on the world market. Does this "Triumph", Salakhova or Sviblova, or someone else all thanks! Because the AEC will be sold or Koshlyakov actively behind them stretched loop of dozens of other artists from the CIS.
Creating new names, a lot of work and for her, too, need to say thank you. Mach? excellent! Gapchinskaya? great! they stimulate purchases, and thus raise the overall market, lead new customers.
So I do not understand your skepticism. You may not like a certain artist, well, so in the wake of interest to them to promote their artists that you like.