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[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от Inquisitive

Sorry, I zatseptlsya for a quote of your post, it was the closest ROSTO on the independence of personality and ideology of the artist on an assessment of his work.
According to some, for history is not important - Rotten artist in Stalin's camps or lizoblyudstvoval on the outside.
In this regard, and because of my lack of EXP question:
" What is a Credit Ranking in the 20 th century European artist Shilkgrubera?"

Release of EXP with the international rating has not yet emerged. But I will say that we have decided for ethical reasons Schicklgruber not notag.

Ancient art history anedot remembered: once critics did not appreciate a young artist, and he became the Fuhrer. Conclusion: we must take more care to young people

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Сообщение от fabosch

I swear, I do not know what the noble art. For me, and Soroka, and Kiprenskiy and Venetsianov, and Al-P Ivanov, and Fedotov, and Bryullov - above all, great artists, in some higher sense, absolutely equal. Do I need to know their biography and all the attendant circumstances? Art critic and researcher simply necessary. But in the immediate perception of their works, this should not affect. Although, of course, renders, and sometimes gorazdl more than they should ...
With Melevichem same picture is about the same as with Duchamp - a urinal, too, because the non-unique item. Yes, probably some monsieur Murdo could also exhibit a urinal as a work of art (both before and after Duchamp), but it is not random, arbitrary act. It is an act of artistic will specific individual and not every person is on the shoulder ... Therefore, talking about squares, painted by 5c - this is bullshit ...
Now any student can easily collect radio from finished parts, but this does not change the values of open Popova - Marconi

On the subject of perception not bad (although, IMHO, is too general) was written in the article ZAGRAEVSKY "On some issues of basic terminology:
http://rating.artunion.ru/article08.htm

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LV Tazba in the article "Rate of artists and philosophical understanding of art," published in the third issue of the handbook "Unified artistic rating, defined the phenomenon of art (regardless of political economy, and specifically, social desirability) as a subject-object unity of the" artist-product . This approach, according to LV Tazby gives everyone the opportunity to display themselves in a situation of "viewer-product."

These definitions will help us to move from outdated notions of easel and decorative arts to a more modern terminology. After all, "stankovizm" and "decorative" art classified according to their location in a given space - the church, museum, hall, bedroom, etc.. Hence, we may say that these terms refer to the spatial component of the situation, "the viewer is the product."

Of this component is largely dependent perception of subject-object unity of the "artist-product." Indeed, any viewer perceives the product (together with the information available about the artist), primarily in the surrounding space - the museum, interior, religious, urban development and the like.

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Make more precise: in the space takes the work is not only a spectator. Artist of my conception usually covers and heavy machine "or" decorative "character created by the creation, ie also thinks for him a certain location in space. But this plan is an integral part of the act creating the product and, therefore, included in the subject-object unity of the "artist-product." And then the location of product in the space (for brevity, we denote it as "the place works") can be repeatedly changed - we have already said that today, the thing may be in the interior, tomorrow - in a museum, and the next day - go back into the interior.

Seems useful to make one clarification. Undoubtedly, the value of art is eternal and timeless - in our time for ascertaining this fact deep excursions into philosophy is hardly necessary. And yet the perception of any work of art significantly correlated with the tastes and traditions of a particular era in which the viewer lives. Including the question of reference to "stankovizmu" or "decorative art" (ie, motivation placement of a product in a museum on the square in the temple, in the bedroom, etc.).

Thus, if we abandon the concepts of "stankovizma" and "decorative" as the primary qualifiers, we should add to the subject-object unity of the "artist-art" components that represent the viewer's perception - the place and time perception works. Place and time of creation of the work belong to the first element - "Artist", so to distinguish between the viewer's perception of the act creating the product, called the place and time, the audience perception circumstances of time and place.

Thus, an exhaustive theoretical tool for perception, evaluation and classification of a work of art can be a subject-object unity of the "artist-product, the perception in the circumstances of place and time.

All of the perennial problems of audience perception - "like-dislike", "good-bad" - determined by the interaction of these primary categories. But in any case in art is not the place plagiarism and soulless replication - only the uniqueness and originality of the unity of "artist-product" (as is perceived in different circumstances of time and place, but does not change from that its deep, true indeed) create the phenomenon, which we call art.

And all the other components of perception, evaluation and classification of works of art (two-or three-dimensionality, "decorative" or "easel" prime positioning, decorative or museum location in this or that era, realistic or abstract style, plastic, colors, art supplies, etc .) may play a role only support, but not primary.

And there is no division of the creators of the "clean and unclean" - Easel and applied scientists who realist and abstract, the traditionalists and conceptualist, monumental and miniature - at this level of understanding should not be. True (and not declaratively) the equality of all trends and directions in art - one of the greatest achievements of twentieth century art history, and it is time to bring in line with these achievements and basic terminology.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от LCR

The following pictures make me some doubts (notice I quote, maybe not the most characteristic, but is not the most disgusting job Filonov - "schizo-proletarian", as well In my view, describing him a dear friend to me and visiting our cyber-community)

This "diagnosis" could deliver only schizo-liberal, do not understand neither in art nor in psychiatry.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

On the subject of perception not bad (although, IMHO, is too general) was written in the article ZAGRAEVSKY "On some issues of basic terminology"

Written, perhaps, not bad, but really, too general and not on the role of social perception of works of art

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1324241"

You seriously think that apart from the cost, with respect to positioning in the history of art of any artist, let alone such a controversial figure as Deineka, not argue about anything? With Filonov easier, but, believe me, not much.

I believe that their positions are determined, as well as in the ranking of states on demand market, there remains the question of cost. Otherwise, you should decide you write an article or art history ... Rating what you create?

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Olga Ozolin,
finally you started to answer to any of my questions - about the methodology to include artists in EXP.
Of course, I am most interested in the issue of inclusion in the EXP of all learners or graduates of institutions of tsarist Russia, the USSR and the Russian Federation.
On this occasion, you are silent, as a partisan.
But your gay relationships to turn to Herod Shilkgrubera artist of the twentieth century - Hitler, I can not share. Not for ethical reasons, for some reason. On the other.
As soon, EXP, as you say, take into account some undeciphered ethical reasons, then it would be interesting to know the ethical relation to those artists who (except pictures) written denunciations of fellow artists.
Others signed a collective letter in response to the question: " Who are you, Master of Arts ?".
Still others create masterpieces that they sang praises to yet another bloody Herod the twentieth century by the name of Dzhugashvili, turning ugly monster into an angel of heaven. On canvas and in the minds of the masses.
Pictures of all the three categories of artists I actively acquired by museums, for they were held solo and group exhibitions, the press and critics have been positive, and some of these artists were awarded state awards.
For their artistry.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union demand for their paintings grew.
So from the standpoint of the criteria EXP at all of them in order.
Question: " Are your trade union question on listing and taksirovke for EXP I mentioned three categories of artists in terms of ethics? ".
Or, in this case, ethics does not make any difference?

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от fabosch

Written, perhaps, not bad, but really, too general and not on the role of social perception of works of art

Сообщение от K-Maler

I believe that their positions are determined, as well as in the ranking of states on demand market, there remains the question of cost. Otherwise, you should decide you write an article or art history ... Rating what you create?

The question of cost - is extremely delicate, and depends on many factors, one of the main factors is the assessment of art criticism (including in the form of articles). But critics, in turn, are guided by many factors, including the cost.

And develops in parallel with humanity unwieldy system called "Art History", which affect hundreds or thousands of factors.

Including social.

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Сообщение от Inquisitive

Olga Ozolin,
Finally, you started to answer one of my questions - about the methodology to include artists in EXP.
Of course, I am most interested in the issue of inclusion in the EXP of all learners or graduates of institutions of tsarist Russia, the USSR and the Russian Federation. On this occasion, you are silent, as a partisan.
But your gay relationships to turn to Herod Shilkgrubera artist of the twentieth century - Hitler, I can not share. Not for ethical reasons, for some reason.
As soon, EXP, as you say, take into account some undeciphered ethical reasons, then it would be interesting to know the ethical relation to those artists who (except pictures) written denunciations of fellow artists.
Others signed a collective letter in response to the question: "Who are you, Master of Arts?".
Still others create masterpieces that they sang praises another Herod the twentieth century by the name of Dzhugashvili, turning ugly monster into an angel of heaven. In the minds of the masses.
Pictures of all the three categories of artists I actively acquired by museums, for they were held solo and group exhibitions, the press and critics have been positive, and some of these artists were awarded state awards. With the collapse of the Soviet Union demand for their paintings grew.
So from the standpoint of the criteria EXP at all of them in order.
Question: "Are your trade union question on listing and taksirovke for EXP I mentioned three categories of artists in terms of ethics?".
Or in this case, ethics does not make any difference?

1) itself, graduation does not mean that a person became a professional artist. Therefore, education is taken into account in the rating of, but only as one factor.
And in any case, the artist will be added to the EXP just the lists of graduates. We must see the work, but it's either the exhibition or catalogs, or sending of reproductions in the RC.

2) If I remember an anecdote, a cheerful attitude that does not mean . In general, I like any intelligent person will never forget that "genius and evil - two things are incompatible." Believe me, do not forget about this and other members of the RC.
The problem is that there is a secret do not always become apparent. If you have specific names and facts - we are grateful.

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Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

1) itself, graduation does not mean that a person became a professional artist. Therefore, education is taken into account in the rating of, but only as one factor.
And in any case, the artist will be added to the EXP just the lists of graduates. We must see the work, but it's either the exhibition or catalogs, or sending of reproductions in the RC.

2) If I remember an anecdote, a cheerful attitude that does not mean . In general, I like any intelligent person will never forget that "genius and evil - two things are incompatible." Believe me, do not forget about this and other members of the RC.
The problem is that there is a secret do not always become apparent. If you have specific names and facts - we are grateful.

Unfortunately, very sleepy. And three hours later to begin my working day would not be up to the forum.
Therefore, in brief.
1.How some rubber in your union's position - on almost all issues. Here is a list without an assessment of works is not included, as well as protaksirovat for EXP can be.
2. You personally and your union the names of those moral monsters, as it turns out, is unknown.
We can only wonder how you still Shilkgrubera calculated.
Without reading a historical documentary.

The rest - in the evening.

[Art-ort]

Сообщение от Inquisitive

1.How some rubber in your union's position - on almost all issues.

AGREE
Olga O., very literate avoiding sensitive issues, silence, ignorance, or switching to the small details and care storonu.Ponyatno that a person does not receive a salary from us but from ZAGRAEVSKY and largely solves nothing.
Topic clearly evolved "into a market and unlikely to bear fruit soon ... As long as Mr. Z. did not reshit.ChTO GOOD FOR NEW SALES ought to bring to the P is something new and then there will be the third letter or her likeness, but in the meantime not slamming the door ... because "a better throw peas at the wall-although sbryakaet"

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от Inquisitive

Unfortunately, very sleepy. And three hours later to begin my working day would not be up to the forum.
Therefore, in brief.
1.How some rubber in your union's position - on almost all issues. Here is a list without an assessment of works is not included, as well as protaksirovat for EXP can be.
2. You personally and your union the names of those moral monsters, as it turns out, is unknown.
We can only wonder how you still Shilkgrubera calculated.
Without reading a historical documentary.

The rest - in the evening.

I wrote to you:

Posted by Olga Ozolin
1) itself, graduation does not mean that a person became a professional artist. Therefore, education is taken into account in the rating of, but only as one factor.
And in any case, the artist will be added to the EXP just the lists of graduates. We must see the work, but it's either the exhibition or catalogs, or sending of reproductions in the RC.

2) If I remember an anecdote, a cheerful attitude that does not mean. In general, I like any intelligent person will never forget that "genius and evil - two things are incompatible." Believe me, do not forget about this and other members of the RC.
The problem is that there is a secret do not always become apparent. If you have specific names and facts - we are grateful.

Read carefully again what I wrote to you!

And in any case, the artist will be added to the EXP just the lists of graduates.

This is precisely what you call taksirovkoy on exp.

2. You personally and your union the names of those moral monsters, as it turns out, is unknown.
We can only wonder how you still Shilkgrubera calculated.
Without reading a historical documentary.

This is a typical juggling. What we know, including on the "historical documentary", as reflected in the result of our work - EXP, where respect and Gerasimova, and V. Serov, and A. Kibalnikova, and many others taken into account and their behavior in the political situation at that time.

Just when a person writes as you:

Сообщение от Inquisitive

As soon, EXP, as you say, take into account some undeciphered ethical reasons, then it would be interesting to know the ethical relation to those artists who (except pictures) written denunciations of fellow artists.
Others signed a collective letter in response to the question: " Who are you, Master of Arts ?".
Still others create masterpieces that they sang praises to yet another bloody Herod the twentieth century by the name of Dzhugashvili, turning ugly monster into an angel of heaven. On canvas and in the minds of the masses.
Pictures of all the three categories of artists I actively acquired by museums, for they were held solo and group exhibitions, the press and critics have been positive, and some of these artists were awarded state awards.
For their artistry.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union demand for their paintings grew.
So from the standpoint of the criteria EXP at all of them in order.
Question: "Are your trade union question on listing and taksirovke for EXP I mentioned three categories of artists in terms of ethics?".
Or, in this case, ethics does not make any difference?

It is assumed that he has some concrete information on this topic. Otherwise, it is only common words that, and so everyone is well aware. "The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea." Here, all the same professional forum, not chat any social network.
That's why I asked you a question, is there a specific information from you.
Unfortunately, the issue was not the right place.

And by the way, you're already in the 2 nd time incorrectly writing Hitler's grandmother's maiden name, so it's not a typo. Her name was not Shilkgruber, and Schicklgruber (Schicklgruber). So I recommend you read more carefully, not only my messages, but also "historical documentaries."

P.S. In my opinion, an artist named Schicklgruber never was, Hitler wrote his works under his own name.

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Сообщение от Art-ort

AGREE
Olga O., very literate avoiding sensitive issues, silence, ignorance, or switching to the small details and care storonu.Ponyatno that a person does not receive a salary from us but from ZAGRAEVSKY and largely solves nothing.
Topic clearly evolved "into a market and unlikely to bear fruit soon ... As long as Mr. Z. did not reshit.ChTO GOOD FOR NEW SALES ought to bring to the P is something new and then there will be the third letter or her likeness, but in the meantime not slamming the door ... because "a better throw peas at the wall-although sbryakaet"

Because you got to discuss my humble personality and funding sources cat Trufochki "Can I assume that the questions did not really have left?

And what about "something new" - I think that international art rating is the very "new."
http://rating.artunion.ru/international.htm

[kr555]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1325811"

And what about "something new" - I think that international art rating and have that same "brand new".

And can you one more question to ask on statistics?
How many in this ranking will be artists from Japan and from China? I have these 2 countries are particularly interested in, and you probably have access to a draft version of the ranking?
In general, an interesting statistic. Total in the world rankings will be 10 thousand artists category 3 or above, of which more than 2 thousands of ex-USSR, which is about 20%. In my opinion, too much, and in fact this is an indication that not all of our local got its 3 categories deserved. Although in terms of patriotic possible and necessary ...