Art as a commodity: Paradoxes and patterns

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Pavel

Do you think that after that tell the buyer?
Remember about the mentality?

Remember about the gun ...!
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Сообщение от iosif

A marketer depends on it to grow (all other conditions remaining unchanged)

Konechno.Pri his direct participation.

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Сообщение от Grigory

The paradox of the sixth.

Commensalism.
The paradox that some believe will cost yourself ... and live better.
Sometimes, but very rarely.

[манна]

Сообщение от Pavel; 2744371 "

I do not know what sovriska .

I'm under sovriska meant contemporary art , ie all that is not antique.

Сообщение от Buscador; 2744411 "

And here is where .

As with anything? We're talking about PR , Scoop is the brand ( which is not ) .

 Buyer ( in any field ) drew attention to the brand. (Can be in terms of getting mixed up , iosif will correct . Marketer I do not . )

In the next branch to discuss the exhibition Stallone in Russian . Here is an example of two brands.
If Stallone put the pictures in the gallery iosif as well - it's PR Gallery.
A Sapunkov in Russian - it's PR Sapunkova .
Therefore, if crudely , the passage of a little-known artist in the famous auction may well raise the price of the job.

Сообщение от Buscador; 2744411 "

It was not about me, not about a single gallery , and on the market and sold at auction .

And I'm not about you. I replied to the text iosif a. Keeping in mind his gallery or any similar to the prior art auction.

Сообщение от Buscador; 2744411 "

preferred to be in the subject and does not overpay ...

Golden words . Neither add nor subtract . Here are just a doubt that the world is a person who is subject in all subjects . In cars , homes , pictures , etc. ... <! - ~ 1 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[Buscador]

Сообщение от manna

That's just doubt that the world is a person who is subject in all subjects.
In cars, homes, pictures, etc. ...

For this self-respecting businessman have trustees who are "in" ...

[манна]

Сообщение от Buscador

For this purpose, self-respecting businessman have trustees who are " in the subject line " ...

Yes. The so-called helpers for all occasions on a regular salary.
A self-respecting , but not as wealthy businessmen are forced to turn to the pros - for example to the realtors .

Everyone wants to market and sales. In this case, you can not rely solely on the business with the trustees . Create a mass market .

Сообщение от iosif; 2744561 "

The second goal - conditionally commercial . To promote the development of the art market of the Russian Federation for the middle class and below . Here, I have been working not only for themselves, I think .

[Коллекционер-любитель]

Сообщение от manna

That's just doubt that the world is a person who is subject in all subjects.

Nothing in doubt, such a person is - Cyril Syzransky.
He is subject in all subjects, but something here it was not.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от manna ; 2745301 '

Yes. The so-called helpers for all occasions on a regular salary.
A self-respecting , but not as wealthy businessmen are forced to turn to the pros - for example to the realtors .

But the " so-called helpers " involved in the selection or tracking works of art, often have special art education and have their own galleries or shops ...

Сообщение от manna ; 2745301 "

Everyone wants to market and sales. In this case, you can not rely solely on the business with the trustees . Create a mass market .

There are businessmen and without proxies , and themselves versed in the art of attending the auction ...
Mass, in the sense that a large number of people with the means to create a market (arts ) ?

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Сообщение от Grigory; 2743041 "

Tenth paradox .

Сообщение от Grigory; 2743041 "

In the majority of galleries are working , commercially successful or not, people in the arts . And many of them simply never occurs to them that they lack marketing knowledge . After all, to feel a lack of knowledge , you need to have at least their minimum. I think that this is the Achilles ' heel of today's art galleries, not withstanding the battle with market realities .

According to my observations in the galleries working people out of business, obsessive love to earnings in the arts. Critics are also there, but the percentage is not that great . Once again I will clarify - in my experience . And some marketing knowledge they have - mostly from the practical skills and self ...

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Сообщение от iosif; 2743041 "

paradoxes and patterns

 As for the paradox , that our whole life - very often a paradox, consisting of the laws ... <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[манна]

Сообщение от amateur collectors

should not have any doubt , such a person is - Cyril Syzransky. He is subject in all subjects , but something here it has not been .

Well, I do not know .... many topics claims for COP .... is it too much, then it is not at all <! - 8 ~ ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> ..... well, write a collective letter to the admins ... and open the topic in the gazebo on the CC ... ( support group will palpable ...) I own, neutral , and will express opinion there .... I do not want in this thread ...

Сообщение от Buscador; 2745521 "

But the " so-called helpers " involved in the selection or tracking works of art, often have special art education and have their own galleries or shops ...

All true. But this is the highest segment . "Art as a commodity " , and the goods must be for every budget , and not only on a tightly packed ...

Сообщение от Buscador; 2745521 "

There are businessmen and without proxies , and themselves versed in the art of attending the auction ... Mass, in the sense that a large number of people with the means to create a market (arts )?

Them understand ... etc. - The units , it is passion , a hobby . Such people become people in the thread, they do not make the market ...
Of course the masses, in the sense of a large ( measurable ) count of people . People of different incomes (this is important ) . And will the market ..

Сообщение от Buscador; 2745521 "

In my experience working in the galleries of people out of business, obsessive love to earnings in the art .

Buscador, and slightly corrected to agree <! - ~ 1 ~ -> : ....., obsessive love of art and earnings . This 2 1 .... as gallery- business is not the most lucrative ....

Here is an example . Asked one of our gallery owner (gallery at Winery ) : Sash , if I may ask , how much is the content gallery ( rent, communal , etc.). Answer - about 15 thousand dollars . per month. Well, one can estimate the profit ... Ie count the number of pictures and what should be sold in order to get a plus , usually income gallery 50 %of the selling price ...
The costs are large, few buyers , and even the Cossacks with the priests at the gate Winery muddy water , so they open branches , one in Singapore and one in Berlin ... It seems happy with TZ .... Business ...

[Pavel]

Сообщение от iosif

Actually, the auction determines the market price.
A marketer depends on it to grow (all other conditions remaining unchanged)

Learn a foreign experience dear professor.
Vtyuhat few pictures is not the reason for writing naukopodobnoy nonsense.

[Peter]

It touched a "sweet heart the West." Some might say the market today than there is different in a better way, or that he is actually in contrast to ours?

[iosif]

Сообщение от Pavel

studied foreign experience dear professor . Vtyuhat few pictures is not the reason for writing naukopodobnoy nonsense .

Dear Paul , I understand that this is your review of my article . Have every right <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Now to the point.
1. All marketing experience , in fact, a foreign language. In particular, and art marketing . So it really had to study . And even a bit of traveling .
2 . Adaptation of international experience to our terms - a separate issue , which I , as much as , I decide .
3 . There are only two strategies related to incomprehensible . The first - and do not care to forget. The second - to try to understand. You , unfortunately, chose the former. Good luck !

By the way, for those who do not know.
The notorious Saatchi gallery- but their exploits , and even the eponymous founder of the advertising agency that is a couple of decades was considered one of the most creative in the world. And the advertising was first <! - ~ 1 ~ ->