Degenerate Art? Art of degenerates!

[Buscador]

Сообщение от SAH

I hope Buscador I understood correctly.

I understand all right. To reach me, sometimes. I must say that my view has not changed, because, like all explanations (even such wonderful, like MEZON and Jan) I have been known. "Black Square" - an objective reality and this can not be ignored. Everything Else - subktivno. There are views of famous artists, who thought of Malevich's half-educated, clumsy, and even time-servers (hold various positions in the Soviet Union, 20-30 years, I can tell you ...). And, of course, realism is not able to finish this! Because this is our life. And the squares - it is reporting ... I feel as indignant audience ... Only no hands!

[Konstantin]

and the square - it is reporting ... I feel as indignant audience ... Only no hands!

Your point of view is understandable. But here's the question:
If you have children, and you led them to the museum to join (it may already was) and you come to the Black Square. What do you tell the children? What does this kind of garbage, and go further? They say it is not necessary attention son. Yes? Do not believe it. I, for example, to question his elder: "Do I know what famous Black Square?" He spoke for about forty minutes, and about the "Victory over the Sun and about all the above listed in the forum, as they say" Ostap suffered. " Senior sat rasskryv mouth - to penetrate. Asked, in what the museum hangs. Go probably met.

[mezon]

Сообщение от Mark

"Case History" by M. Kantor.

post 147 p 15


Interesting afterpiece. I want to unleash this absurd situation. A good caricature of the society and 100%on topic. Heroes talk steriotipami and everyone is in a silly situation, and looks, respectively, although the reason seems to be common sense. A kind of merry-go-from which dizzy. Every word is like the truth, and the situation deadlocked. The problem is one - not specified out of this situation. No vector. There is complete freedom of choice and the reasoning which leads to a piece of shit as a modern masterpiece. Deadlock. Where to go? To overcome this impasse needs coordinate values. She has long existed: plus-minus, white - black, good-evil== God - the devil How is this sitemi coordinates will help us in such a thing as creativity. Poo is good or evil? Turd - it's just a fact, which in this simplified system of values is close to zero. During that same hurt Jacob? During an attack on freedom of creativity and choice. Freedom - is good? Freedom - is an absolute value, but in one case it leads to tyranny, evil (in the art for the values that the factory of the art to a dead end) and the other having a free choice of people comes to positive, (the art of the values that give a new tolchek creativity, possibility of its development). The art of which we speak - is a tribute to freedom and, therefore, we penetrate into the territory and the low, negative, values (not prices). Deny, burn, destroy? - No! You simply have to make choices toward good, toward the positive, true freedom. In other words, we must banish the devil from themselves, but to do so must be exercising a free choice between good and evil, between light and dark sides of the soul, between the true, eternal and temporal values. Humanity is making such a choice voluntarily within itself will be on another level of spiritual razvitiya.Chto be with Hearst? Perhaps he will remain in the history of art, but the place will be allocated to him on the scale of values will solve society. Genius - is the one who has absorbed and embodied in the work of the highest achievements of mankind of time in which he lived. It must be one of the symbols of its era. This genius has become Malevich. What to do with Jacob? - Let him go, but to say that he would never touch these cranks because history will decide everything for him, and when the collector dies (it happens) - throw a piece of shit in the trash. Is it worth it to spend on your nerves? It is better to study the embodiment of bright ideas in the works - these things will benefit their health and the health of society.

[Marjana]

Сообщение от Vladimir

From the artist today, not waiting for perfect technical skill, no talent, craft, and ideas. The head is more important than the hardness of his hands.

Following your logic, the less technical skill - the more thought. It does not help. All the more confusing and simple recipes do not understand art.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

What do you say? What are these, he was "all kinds of positions?
Go to his biography. He was arrested by the OGPU in 1930, he was in prison. What are the "posts"?

I Buscador talked about
 

Biography Malevich unusual and confusing. The artist himself changed it as I wanted, specifically changing the years and events, it seems to us extremely busy, full of contrasts, with ups and downs. Malevich wanted to visit Paris, but he never managed to do it. He was unable to test many aesthetic and worldly pleasures available to its more prosperous and educated colleagues. He was alone a difficult path from a modest to a certain self-taught artist, took part in two revolutions, wrote futurist poetry, theater has reformed, and was interested in theosophy and astronomy, lectured, wrote philosophical works, was in prison, was the director of the institute and the unemployed ...

[Marjana]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

As for me chemists would react if I come in on their forum and I will tell tales of "suitcases" Mendeleev?

Do you think that chemists have no sense of humor?

[Marjana]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Yes, someone smile.
But when the sixth-seventh new party will "discuss" suitcases? How is a "sense of humor" would be?

You're not deaf from the news on television, not blinded by some artists, their creations if you do not like, and with a sense of humor - not disappear.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

What do you say? What are these, he was "all kinds of positions?
Go to his biography.

Especially for Cyril Syzransky; opened a biography, and even before that, apparently, one you read it. But, I guess. ploho.Chitaem:
1917 - President hud.otdela Moscow Soviet of Soldiers' Deputies;
1918 - Head of the Commission on the Arts, Museum Commission, and etc.
1922 - Director of the Museum of Painterly Culture;
1923-1926 - Director Ginhusa;
1930-Member of the College of Gos.institutu art history;
1932 - The head of experimental laboratory at the Russian Museum.
You can also add that in 1927-28 years toured Germany with a personal exhibition. But here, as they say, not to humor ... With whom you can really trouble ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

As for me chemists would react if I come in on their forum and I will tell tales of "suitcases" Mendeleev?

And chemists, I think, for you will be treated with humor. Yes, and mathematics too. Just you kumedny, if all the time, Pythagoras with some pants remember, the Mendeleev with a suitcase ...

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Have you ever a director of the universe or the Chief of Chukotka name, but it is unlikely that anyone would consider "the posts" ...

No, I modestly call themselves, but others do not forbid .... And for you "post" - it is not lower than the minister or head of the NKVD? If you are interested, you can read what privileges enjoyed such people. But this is so, to the word. All hard to resist.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

What do you tell the children? What does this kind of garbage, and go further? They say it is not necessary attention son. Yes? Do not believe it.

You know, here on the forum, I have no work, even if I do not like, do not call garbage. This labor rights, and any work worthy of respect. As children, when I show them reproductions, reaching the "Black Square", they asked me - and that is also a picture? I showed them "girl, lit by the sun" and asked "What do you prefer? You would not believe - v.Serov! Then, however, when the daughter grew up she became more like S. Dali. Children are not deceived - their perception of beauty - sensual, not loaded knowledge. Apparently, I went napovodu from their children

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Marjana

Message from Vladimir
From the artist today, not waiting for perfect technical skill, no talent, craft, and ideas. The head is more important than the hardness of his hands.

Following your logic, the less technical skill - the more thought. It does not help. All the more confusing and simple recipes do not understand art.

What are you talking about? It really should be in my logic?

[Marjana]

Сообщение от Vladimir

What are you talking about? It really should be in my logic?

Excuse me, well, of course, my female logic.: Shy: