"Theft, forgery" as a separate section of the forum - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Allena · 16-06-2009, 10:01

We have not the first time a popup issue of stolen paintings and forgeries. Grandpa has just encyclopaedia fakes Stozharov created, for which he once again Thanks a lot!

I propose this: create a separate partition on the forum "theft, forgery" (well, or something in that spirit) and group out there right to the authors all information we have. At the forum because auction houses are - at least Dorotheum, Christie, scoops ... Certainly all the others. Yes, and dealers may also be useful.

And just for the artists to create a separate branch in this section - a sort of handbook stolen. Pictures, descriptions. Remember stealing artworks Gavdzinskogo? It is known that the paintings were injured in a fire, ie Such a thing could be recorded.

Admin · 16-06-2009, 10:11

A section "Expertise" for falsification does not fit? After examination in the ground and engaged in the definition of authenticity. Again the sections will overlap, and will again be a muddle. And besides, theft and forgery - things are fundamentally different.

Allena · 16-06-2009, 10:18

In principle, the "Survey" is suitable, but I think that the intersection will not, because I propose to create a guide that will be topics for discussion, only informational messages. So far, from memory, I see there are the branches: "Stozharau, theft," "Stozharau, forgery," "Ryasnyanskii, theft," "Gavdzinsky, theft," "Roginsky, forgery" - it is only what immediately comes to mind . Information Only.

Кирилл Сызранский · 16-06-2009, 10:18

Admin, yes, fake it, and let them be there.
I now know where to take links there "dive" for the material.
And for the "theft" can be divided to make. Yet in a separate section of the material will be little better subsection.

vyadem · 16-06-2009, 10:27

fully agree with Allena. I would also systematized by the artists. The only thing it would be nice in this form: for example, section Stozharau ", and inside 2 of subsection" theft "fake" ... so it will be easier to look

dedulya37 · 16-06-2009, 11:32

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Originally Posted by vyadem

so it will be easier to look

It's all very subtle.
If I, say, with the maximum precision can tell a fake job or not, I can not say that trabota stolen, until I submit the evidence. And not caught, as you know, not a thief.
I went to, for example, in one gallery and tell the staff that work stolen.
Here one should call up, the "up" calls is even higher and as a result I have been informed that the work was bought at Izmailovo collapse.
How do I prove that it is not so??
Nobody would believe that there is a psycho who keeps track of all the work of the artist.
On the other hand, have you noticed that the dynamics of fakes on Stozharov slowed down? Obviously, this is the result of our discussions with you (Tell me, genius: D)
Concludes: an ambiguous work should speak out loud, and then the war will maneuver.
He took off after work Tyukhtin Vukolova auction after the last statement that the work is stolen! Who wants to spoil the reputation?

Кирилл Сызранский · 16-06-2009, 11:38

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Originally Posted by dedulya37

He took off after Tyukhtin work Vukolova auction after the last statement that the work is stolen! Who wants to spoil the reputation?

Right.

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Originally Posted by dedulya37

conclude: the dubious works must speak out loud, and then the war will maneuver.

We must agree.

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Originally Posted by dedulya37

On the other hand, have you noticed that the dynamics of fakes on Stozharov slowed down? Obviously, this is the result of our discussions with you

And what meaning svyazavatsya counterfeiting, when about it a few days to learn everything ARTinveste?
Neither the owners of fakes, dealers have no such situation is not interesting, especially all already know how to reach you and that you always respond to inquiries and questions.

vyadem · 16-06-2009, 11:58

dedulya37, may not be to use the phrase "theft" and such "dubious origin" or the like ...

dedulya37 · 16-06-2009, 13:13

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Originally Posted by vyadem

probably should not use the phrase "theft" and such "dubious origin" or the like ...

I agree, then it "doubtful appearance at artrynke."
"It is doubtful background" does not imply author.

v_r · 16-06-2009, 14:16

Do not envy those who have acquired a good expensive thing, suddenly discovers that the thing stolen.
Inquiries should be build in advance of purchase.
"Doubtful origin" - not a suitable definition.
Rather would say "doubtful reputation" for a dealer in stolen property, "the questionable appearance" for stolen goods.

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16-06-2009, 10:01	Original language: Russian #1
Allena Гуру Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Москва Posts: 5,173 Thanks: 14,185 Thanked 6,385 Times in 1,659 Posts Reputation: 13112	"Theft, forgery" as a separate section of the forum We have not the first time a popup issue of stolen paintings and forgeries. Grandpa has just encyclopaedia fakes Stozharov created, for which he once again Thanks a lot! I propose this: create a separate partition on the forum "theft, forgery" (well, or something in that spirit) and group out there right to the authors all information we have. At the forum because auction houses are - at least Dorotheum, Christie, scoops ... Certainly all the others. Yes, and dealers may also be useful. And just for the artists to create a separate branch in this section - a sort of handbook stolen. Pictures, descriptions. Remember stealing artworks Gavdzinskogo? It is known that the paintings were injured in a fire, ie Such a thing could be recorded.

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16-06-2009, 10:11	Original language: Russian #2
Admin Administrator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,044 Thanks: 1,486 Thanked 2,434 Times in 632 Posts Blog Entries: 4294967295	A section "Expertise" for falsification does not fit? After examination in the ground and engaged in the definition of authenticity. Again the sections will overlap, and will again be a muddle. And besides, theft and forgery - things are fundamentally different.

16-06-2009, 10:18	Original language: Russian #3
Allena Гуру Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Москва Posts: 5,173 Thanks: 14,185 Thanked 6,385 Times in 1,659 Posts Reputation: 13112	In principle, the "Survey" is suitable, but I think that the intersection will not, because I propose to create a guide that will be topics for discussion, only informational messages. So far, from memory, I see there are the branches: "Stozharau, theft," "Stozharau, forgery," "Ryasnyanskii, theft," "Gavdzinsky, theft," "Roginsky, forgery" - it is only what immediately comes to mind . Information Only.

16-06-2009, 10:18	Original language: Russian #4
Кирилл Сызранский Гуру Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: РФ, Самара Posts: 75,466 Thanks: 27,924 Thanked 55,362 Times in 24,302 Posts Blog Entries: 126 Reputation: 102422	Admin, yes, fake it, and let them be there. I now know where to take links there "dive" for the material. And for the "theft" can be divided to make. Yet in a separate section of the material will be little better subsection.

16-06-2009, 10:27	Original language: Russian #5
vyadem Гуру Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,897 Thanks: 2,905 Thanked 2,365 Times in 550 Posts Reputation: 4046	fully agree with Allena. I would also systematized by the artists. The only thing it would be nice in this form: for example, section Stozharau ", and inside 2 of subsection" theft "fake" ... so it will be easier to look

16-06-2009, 11:58	Original language: Russian #8
vyadem Гуру Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,897 Thanks: 2,905 Thanked 2,365 Times in 550 Posts Reputation: 4046	dedulya37, may not be to use the phrase "theft" and such "dubious origin" or the like ...

16-06-2009, 14:16	Original language: Russian #10
v_r Местный Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 184 Thanks: 193 Thanked 660 Times in 131 Posts Reputation: 1164	Do not envy those who have acquired a good expensive thing, suddenly discovers that the thing stolen. Inquiries should be build in advance of purchase. "Doubtful origin" - not a suitable definition. Rather would say "doubtful reputation" for a dealer in stolen property, "the questionable appearance" for stolen goods.