Presumably, a student of Petrov-Vodkin - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Мира · 12.09.2011, 18:42

Dear experts!
Much to ask !

I would like to know your opinion about this picture.
Provenance is missing, has been bought by me in New York in the junk shop , mid-80s .

Oil. Canvas pasted on board , the state - below average. The hand on his shoulder that stained with : a black horizontal stripe , a part of the paint layer is lost.
The main reason for this treatment - paint flaking . Should I give a picture of a restoration ?

50h29

This work has already shown in another branch, spoke about her Guriev , Igor and Cyril Syzran . Unfortunately , I can not move a piece of dialogue.
Cyril suggested that a possible author - Golubyatnikov, student Petrov-Vodkin.

artcol · 12.09.2011, 18:59

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Dear experts!
Much to ask !

I would like to know your opinion about this picture.
Provenance is missing, has been bought by me in New York in the junk shop , mid-80s .

Oil. Canvas pasted on board , the state - below average. The hand on his shoulder that stained with : a black horizontal stripe , a part of the paint layer is lost.
The main reason for this treatment - paint flaking . Should I give a picture of a restoration ?

50h29

This work has already shown in another branch, spoke about her Guriev , Igor and Cyril Syzran . Unfortunately , I can not move a piece of dialogue.
Cyril suggested that a possible author - Golubyatnikov, student Petrov-Vodkin .

And what is the amount you risk paying for restoration work ? 5 tr ? More? How much work will look like after restoration? What will be its value after restoration without attribution ?

Мира · 12.09.2011, 19:05

It seems to me better to deal with the authorship, and then restored.

artcol · 12.09.2011, 19:18

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I think it's better to deal with the authorship, and then restore.

This is a Well as you see fit, I only expressed my opinion.

You simply asked:

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Should I give a picture of a restoration?

And other issues in your post, I did not see.

Мира · 12.09.2011, 19:21

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And other issues in your post, I have not seen.

You are right.

Question: who is the artist?

Игорь Гурьев · 13.09.2011, 00:10

Who the artist ?
Here in this and the whole question.

And there is no satisfactory answer to this question is impossible to imagine .

I came across a couple of times made under the influence of Petrov-Vodkin's absolutely wonderful things , and they include the above .
Moreover, it is closer in style to the most Petrov-Vodkin.
But who is it?
God only knows.

And it's not as actual painting, there were a CPV of similar level .

As for restoration, it is not very high prices can be at least: to strengthen the paint layer , cutting toned eye - and fairly .

K-Maler · 13.09.2011, 00:29

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Should I give a picture of a restoration ?

It is, she is not bad ... And the fact that its someone has pasted on a board (perhaps wanting to fix ), could mean that this " someone" knew what she stoyuschaya ... There should be just a little to fix the gelatin layer of paint and clean the lead edge of the order . And do not bother her particularly , do not remove from the board and turn over to another canvas and build upon ...

artcol · 13.09.2011, 00:46

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It is, she is not bad ... And the fact that its someone has pasted on a board (perhaps wanting to fix ), could mean that this " someone" knew what she stoyuschaya ... There should be just a little to fix the gelatin layer of paint and clean the lead edge of the order . And do not bother her particularly , do not remove from the board and turn over to another canvas and do not append ...

Cleaning can also help answer the question of authorship .

Santa · 13.09.2011, 00:52

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They should just fix a little colorful gelatin

Gelatin, as a means to strengthen the painting is not very welcome ..

It is best to use the sturgeon, rabbit glue ..

Мира · 13.09.2011, 04:29

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It is best to use the sturgeon, rabbit glue ..

Directly from the rabbit make glue?

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