What is art?

[Peter]

On the contrary, we are talking about art in its broadest ponimanii.A that you invest in this concept?

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The result of creativity.

[Peter]

Originally Posted by curious

Result creativity.

Any creativity or creativity has a certain quality?

[sur]

Originally Posted by Peter

All right, man, too, created in the image and likeness, and is also a work of art, not all art is appreciated, unfortunately.

 Then it right, but do not see the paradox .

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Originally Posted by Peter

Any art or creativity has a certain quality?

 Yes, it needs to be clarified. Auto-creation of hands and the human mind is an art?

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Peter,
What quality of picture is an artist, not recognized during his lifetime?
The theory of relativity Einstein's what quality?
So we arrived at the station "Art".
Discuss?

[Peter]

Originally Posted by curious

Peter,
What quality of picture is the artist, is not recognized in his lifetime?
The theory of relativity Einstein's what quality?
So we arrived at the station "Art".
Discuss?

What does the admission or rejection? By quality I mean soderzhanie.Chem napolneno.Eto can be a spiritual message, virtuoso technique, relevance or aestheticism, and perhaps all of this together vzyatoe.Imenno what distinguishes Art from neiskusstva.Teoriya relativity in its harmony may come under the category of art, only a mathematical, as well as beautiful chess partiya.Krasivo because garmonichno.Garmoniya underlies any art.

[sur]

Originally Posted by Peter

What does the admission or rejection? By quality I mean soderzhanie.Chem napolneno.Eto can be a spiritual message, virtuoso technique, relevance or aestheticism, and perhaps all of this together vzyatoe.Imenno then What distinguishes art from neiskusstva.Teoriya relativity in its harmony may come under the category of art, only a mathematical, as well as beautiful chess partiya.Krasivo because garmonichno.Garmoniya the essence of art.

 Who dares to give a definition? Believe that any debate should result in the result. Otherwise why do they behave?
  Our discussion will be held to consider if the result will be a satisfactory answer to the question in the title theme .
  Which in fact and can be considered the definition of words: art.
 Otherwise I do not see any sense to support it.

Originally Posted by fborth

"Art is a ministry and joy. Serving the artist who creates it and creates in order to engage and we concelebrated with him. The joy of the artist, creates, and then, created in his work a new method life, and gave us contemplate, this undeserved joy ...

 And if you passed the pain, fear, hatred - is also a joy?

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Originally Posted by Peter

What does the admission or rejection? By quality I mean soderzhanie.Chem napolneno.Eto can be a spiritual message, virtuoso technique, relevance or aestheticism, and perhaps all of this together vzyatoe.Imenno that distinguishes art from neiskusstva.Teoriya relativity in its harmony may come under the category of art, just a mathematical as well as beautiful chess partiya.Krasivo because garmonichno.Garmoniya the essence of art.

And who are the judges?
Who will evaluate the quality?
You are trying to replace the term "art" with the term "art" and I protivlyus this.
That's why I thought and still think the art of the result of creativity.
The result of creativity is always in demand.
Contemporaries or successors.
I think so.

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Originally Posted by sur

Who dares to give a definition? Believe that any debate should result in the result. Otherwise why do they behave?
  Our discussion will be held to consider if the result will be a satisfactory answer to the question in the title theme .
  Which in fact and can be considered the definition of words: art.
 Otherwise I do not see any sense to support it.



 And if you passed the pain, fear, hatred - is also the joy?

There are timeless questions that have no solution: love, creativity, human life and much more.
Everyone finds the answers to these questions.
For myself. Himself.
Depending on the level of internal intelligence and the level of cognition.
In the end, from its scope.
Regarding the art, in my opinion, everything is determined according to Stanislavsky - love art in themselves or love themselves in art.
The perception of art is soperzhivanie.
And the pain and fear, and hatred.
And if not empathy, then either the author has no talent, or in me that something is missing.
I think so.

[sur]

Originally Posted by inquisitive

There are eternal questions that do not have permission: love, creativity, human life and much more.
Everyone finds the answers to these questions.
For myself. Himself.
Depending on the level of internal intelligence and the level of cognition.
In the end, from its scope.
Regarding the art, in my opinion, everything is determined according to Stanislavsky - love art in themselves or love themselves in art.
The perception of art is soperzhivanie.
And the pain and fear, and hatred.
And if not empathy, then either the author has no talent, or in me that something is missing.
I think so.

 In general, I agree with you, but I question remains: why this conversation?

   In my opinion, the discussion of this kind so it makes sense among people with similar ideologies, to make some clarifications and perhaps to address gaps in knowledge.

  Often, people have completely different view of the world are trying something to debate and agree, but all their attempts are futile, because, they differ in their bases.

  Offer wishing to continue the discussion topic for the beginning at least look word's dictionary definition: the art, and only then if an obscure points or vice versa occurred refinements to make their thoughts on the local court respected public .

 Although, I want to reiterate, I think this kind of discussion between the few people who know each other ineffective because probably the fundamental difference in their worldview.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Originally Posted by sur

Who dares to give a definition?

I believe that any debate should result in the result. Otherwise why do they behave?
 

What is more arrogant than me, may dare to undertake such a definition?

Thinking about sore, I somehow found myself for a definition of what is real iskusstvom.Srazu also anticipating the possible charges in the complete absence of my relevant theme of education and a diploma, yet I beg to draw attention to the footnote "From the Editor ...". However, in some areas of contemporary conceptual art, I have profiled diploma (see below).
So, after disputes with friends and acquaintances on the modern (and not only) of art, I was able to find a perfect definition of art that has nothing to do with stereotypes, education and science, ideology, nationality, level of artistic training, etc. and etc.. This definition is purely scientific. I would even say, an engineer, in full accordance with my education:

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For me, art is what I am under no circumstances I can not repeat itself.

Even if I learn a hundred years, even if I give the most sophisticated equipment and instruments, even if I offer any, millions and billions. Art does not depend on technology and skill of the artist. I have often observed, when even the artist himself is unable to repeat the picture painted in a specific time under the influence of mood, emotion or inspiration. Soul, in short.

I'm not an artist, I like that joke from the Chukchi: "Chukchi not the reader, Chukchi - a writer." I - Collector. But I can not quite put together the installation itself or to draw a blue monochrome. I can not completely screwed to the wall and connect multiple fluorescent lamps, as was done in the Pushkin Museum in the exhibition "300 years of American Flag. Art "(2007) unknown to me an electrician. Incidentally, I myself am an electrician diploma, issued in the Soviet Union, so that in this, believe me, I'm a good specialist. Once in the workshop of one artist, I drew his attention to the set of all kinds of lamps and bulbs, which he clocked at the ceiling to provide proper light in the long winter evenings. Along with spectacular piece of the old, artistically curved plate, it gave the impression of a far more spectacular than what I saw then in the Pushkin Museum. But nobody in their right mind came into our heads to call it art.

See the book:
Museum of Modern iskusstva.Nyu York. 2005 WORD

And ask yourself questions:

1) Can you repeat a bunch of wires and bulbs, as I did on page 281 Rodi Graumans? Incidentally, he is my age, but I no longer winding up the wire for the money, and earn a living exclusively own mind.

2) Is it possible to endlessly produce on a conveyor SMART automobiles, as on page 291?

3) Can I use the screwdriver to attach to a wall shelf, as it did on page 274, Robert Ryman?

4) Can we again expanded corrugated board, as it did on page 275, Frank O., Jerry?

5) Can I also "highly artistic" hang on the wall felt like it did on page 255, Robert Morris?

If you have positive answers to these questions, then ask yourself one more - then what is this American Flag. "Art". And if he should emulate?
You should not confuse art and design. The picture and poster. Graphs and photos. Soul and the free market.