What is art?

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Сообщение от Peter

What does the admission or rejection? By quality I mean soderzhanie.Chem napolneno.Eto can be a spiritual message, virtuoso technique, relevance or aestheticism, and perhaps all of this together vzyatoe.Imenno that distinguishes art from neiskusstva.Teoriya relativity in its harmony may come under the category of art, just a mathematical as well as beautiful chess partiya.Krasivo because garmonichno.Garmoniya the essence of art.

And who are the judges?
Who will evaluate the quality?
You are trying to replace the term "art" with the term "art" and I protivlyus this.
That's why I thought and still think the art of the result of creativity.
The result of creativity is always in demand.
Contemporaries or successors.
I think so.

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Сообщение от sur

Who dares to give a definition? Believe that any debate should result in the result. Otherwise why do they behave?
  Our discussion will be held to consider if the result will be a satisfactory answer to the question in the title theme .
  Which in fact and can be considered the definition of words: art.
 Otherwise I do not see any sense to support it.



 And if you passed the pain, fear, hatred - is also the joy?

There are timeless questions that have no solution: love, creativity, human life and much more.
Everyone finds the answers to these questions.
For myself. Himself.
Depending on the level of internal intelligence and the level of cognition.
In the end, from its scope.
Regarding the art, in my opinion, everything is determined according to Stanislavsky - love art in themselves or love themselves in art.
The perception of art is soperzhivanie.
And the pain and fear, and hatred.
And if not empathy, then either the author has no talent, or in me that something is missing.
I think so.

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Сообщение от inquisitive

There are eternal questions that do not have permission: love, creativity, human life and much more.
Everyone finds the answers to these questions.
For myself. Himself.
Depending on the level of internal intelligence and the level of cognition.
In the end, from its scope.
Regarding the art, in my opinion, everything is determined according to Stanislavsky - love art in themselves or love themselves in art.
The perception of art is soperzhivanie.
And the pain and fear, and hatred.
And if not empathy, then either the author has no talent, or in me that something is missing.
I think so.

 In general, I agree with you, but I question remains: why this conversation?

   In my opinion, the discussion of this kind so it makes sense among people with similar ideologies, to make some clarifications and perhaps to address gaps in knowledge.

  Often, people have completely different view of the world are trying something to debate and agree, but all their attempts are futile, because, they differ in their bases.

  Offer wishing to continue the discussion topic for the beginning at least look word's dictionary definition: the art, and only then if an obscure points or vice versa occurred refinements to make their thoughts on the local court respected public .

 Although, I want to reiterate, I think this kind of discussion between the few people who know each other ineffective because probably the fundamental difference in their worldview.

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sur,
I think that argument is missing.
There is a normal exchange of information on the world view of the term "art", which, in my opinion, enrich the outlook of each of the interlocutors.
The new nuances and other previously nepoznanymi.
This is you propose to argue on whether the poster (in contrast to the picture) art.
I believe that the poster "The Motherland" (?) Is a work of art. Millions of people joined with the author of a poster (unfortunately - can not remember his name) in his understanding of set topics, along with him experiencing grief and fear, and hatred.

I stand by my opinion that matters is the eternal and insoluble (regardless of the opponents).

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Сообщение от inquisitive

Millions of people joined with the author of a poster (unfortunately - can not remember his full name)

Toidze Irakli Moiseevich (1902-1985), Georgian Soviet painter and graphic artist. People's Artist of the Georgian SSR (1980). Honored Artist of the RSFSR (1951). Winner of four Stalin Prizes (1941, 1948, 1949, 1951).

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I also believe that the dispute does not exist.



 "Who are we?
  

   Where are we?


   Where are we going? "

  
   Three main issues, according to Shakespeare, to be answered by mankind (man).


   Fully agree with him.












   
 P.S. Specify that a good landscape, still life, portrait, movie, book, etc. is nothing but a glorification of the Creator works .
 Appreciation of the beauty and harmony of the created world.

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Сообщение от curious; 1089051"

I believe that the poster "Motherland" (?) Is a work of art. Millions of people connected with the author of the poster (sorry - can not remember his name) in his understanding of the set topic, experiencing with him, and grief and fear, and hatred.

"Motherland" told of her fate:
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in the veins of a woman posing for the most famous poster from World War II, flew the Spanish, German, Polish and Jewish blood

This poster during World War II was conceived as a means of visual agitation and propaganda, but became a true masterpiece. A woman wrapped in a red banner with the text of the oath in his hands, calling into battle to defend the Fatherland. The poster hung on the assembly points and stations, on the entrance to the factory and military echelons in the kitchens in homes and wooden fences. For the soldiers and officers he was a portrait of the Mother, in which everyone has seen the features of a person dear to him. Released in the form of postcards, he kept the men in the pockets of tunics. Retreating soldiers tore posters with the "mother" and carried with him.

Many were convinced that the image of the motherland - the collective. But the poster was a woman with a real prototype. Artist Irakli Toidze depicted in it his wife Tamara.

Was created agitation, which was called the "poster-soldier ',' poster-volunteer" - on the eve of Victory Day said, "MK" son of the artist - Alexander Toidze.

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Сообщение от inquisitive

That's why I thought and still think the art of the result of creativity.

YNo result of creativity, too, may be different. Virtually every person in varying degrees, engaged in creativity. But not many have lasted up to the highest form of creativity - art. This concept consists of a very large number of components. When these components are combined in one person - he creates art. The main components - a talent. But over it is to work. Why are so many really talented people left nothing grab poglyaznuv the weakness of human being ...

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Сообщение от Peter

people will understand who is, kto.Stop "What people? Townsfolk? Who Shishkina with Levitan confused? Then all the art of painting is finished in the middle of the nineteenth century.

Art will survive and transform the townsfolk, because it bears more than just a "nice and clear." In this regard, the visual arts simpler - there is a chance to be understood later. Of theatrical performance more difficult, because he lives today and now.

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Сообщение от Buscador

Message from Curious
That's why I thought and still think the art of the result of creativity.

 
 I think so too, but do not see any of the creative process in the selection (if it ever was), shark or a cockroach.

 Not Hurst made the shark and not even he had thought "marinating" in formalin.

  Accordingly, I do not understand how a shark or a cockroach can be seen as an object of art, in the absence of proper mere fact of creation.

 If only the process of creating stuffed animals, we do not agree to refer to art .

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Сообщение от sur

I think so too, but do not see any of the creative process in the selection (if it ever was), shark or a cockroach.

Not Hurst made the shark and not even he had thought "marinating" in formalin.

The creative process of catching sharks and cockroaches still need ... "But the field of art there is only the art of making. And this is the art of management. However, this is already enough of talk in the appropriate direction of the theme - "degenerate ..." .

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That's what I wrote the artist and art Alexander Benois: "Black box white frame - this is not just a joke, not an easy call, not a random little epizodik that occurred in a house on the Champ de Mars, and is one of the acts of self-affirmation of the principle which has its name of the abomination of desolation, and which boasts of the fact that it is through pride, through arrogance, a violation of all the love and tender, will lead all to ruin. "

It is worth remembering that at the exhibition, where the "black box" was shown for the first time, he was symbolically placed in the red corner, as if instead of the icon. This was consistent with trends theomachism new government, which was then preparing to take positions in all spheres of life.