"It's antique" finishes? Heavy laced story ... - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Vladimir · 24-07-2008, 14:56

Unpleasant, heavy laced story of Antiquaries Preobrazhensky, false Kiselev, deceived customers, kidalove real estate in the area Prechistenka ends - August 6, the verdict will be. Kucha publications looked on this topic, but clearly is not. One time was even rumored that the case began to turn when one of the fake "Kiselev" got almost a collection of almost Putin ... What is certainly nonsense, but nafantazirovat possible. Then there were the "denial" that Putin's more interested in the book

But certainly in the whole history is a very simple explanation. What actually happened? Who understands? What opinion?

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=915354

Antiques asked not to disclose the verdict
//The owners of the gallery "Russian Collection" said the last word

The newspaper Kommersant »№ 128 (3945) of 24.07.2008

State prosecution has asked for the mistress of the Transfiguration (pictured) 11 years in prison, for the lord of the Transfiguration - 10 years

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in the Tver court of Moscow with the latest remarks were made by the owners of the gallery Russian Collection wife Tatyana and Igor Preobrazhensky. Antique dealers accused of selling forged paintings, tax evasion and the kidnapping outline brush Konstantin Makovsky. State prosecution has asked for thousands Transfiguration 11 years of the colony, to Mr. Transfiguration - 10 years. The couple insisted on his innocence.

The trial of the owners of the gallery "Russian Collection of Tatiana and Igor Preobrazhensky began in January this year (Kommersant reported this January 16). Throughout most of the trial, Mrs. Transfiguration was in jail, and her husband - under travel restrictions. Recently, however, the court sanctioned the arrest of Igor Transfiguration - state prosecution has submitted a printout of his telephone conversations, from which, according to law enforcement agencies, it followed that the defendant is trying to exert pressure on witnesses in the case.

Recall that a couple of Transfiguration accused of fraud in large-scale, committed by a group of people - namely, to sell five forged paintings by the commercial director of the company Elex Auto "Valery Uzzhinu, failure to pay value added tax for the period 2003-2005 amounting to $ 4, 9 million rubles. and at the same time the kidnapping outline Konstantin Makovsky's "Nude with a tambourine, which consequently valued at $ 30 thousand

Spouses of the blame for themselves or the investigation or the court did not recognize. In their version, their prosecution was instigated by the victim Uzzhinym in order to seize their property and valuables. The blame for counterfeiting Tatiana Preobrajenskaya laid on a wanted art dealer Dmitry Kuteinikova.

In the debate of the parties prosecutor asked for Tatiana Transfiguration 11 years regime penal colony, for her husband - 10 years of colony. According to the defense, the prosecutor called time shocked at present - no one expected that would be sought such a severe punishment. Protection in response suggested that the accused were acquitted for lack of evidence of their guilt. His final speech, Igor Transfiguration was very brief and merely asked to justify it. Speech is Tatiana Transfiguration, held yesterday, was quite thorough and very emotional.

Dear Court - the beginning of the defendant - here, in the center of Moscow, is the massacre of me and my family. Criminal prosecution of the two candidates have organized previously convicted people to grab my belongings and paintings. Turning to the core of the charges, Mrs. Preobrazhenskaya said: "I am an art historian, and could not itself make an examination of paintings. Here in the courtroom, sitting set of lawyers, but they are unlikely to make an examination of the corpse. Because it is not their profile. And to define authenticity of the paintings - not my profile. What do you mean fraud, if there was expert opinion center Grabar? "I wanted to create a public auction in Moscow, and, apparently, someone did not like it." The episode of the sketch Makovsky defendant acknowledged this: "Figure inexpensive, only $ 10 thousand, it also must be taken into account when sentencing." Sometimes excitement Tatiana Transfiguration began to talk about himself in third person. In particular, she stated that "The Transfiguration was not familiar with Kuteinikova ... The only thing you can accuse the Transfiguration, - unintentional injury." Referring to her husband, the defendant broke into tears. "I do not understand what a driver for ten years?" - She cried.

In conclusion, Mrs. Preobrajenskaya invited her and her husband's release, and the case is assigned to a civil court. "My request to read out the verdict only in the resolution part" - suddenly she finally asked the judge. He visibly surprised, but replied: "OK."

Verdict planned to announce on August 6.

Vladislav Trifonov b -

Meister · 24-07-2008, 15:16

never heard of this case, but was surprised to read. I believe in something then another thing. There is no way, with the expert opinion of the Grabar Center, you can not blame people. And how to prove that they knew that selling fake work? I do not understand about the picture Makovsky? she really tried to steal from somewhere? reason is definitely something else. If now they were really sent to prison, it will be a precedent and then followed by other similar processes? after "unconscious" of market participants who sell fake stuff, not really so little. Or must for this plant experts, which is also wrong. This is just an opinion. Putting sure if you can only succeed in proving that a false assessment was made intentionally? Then it falls under the heading of fraud. Voobshchem, let's see what all will end.

Vladimir · 24-07-2008, 15:32

Meister, everything was cool confused. Here, if you're interested in the sources (links). About misguided not very expert, I believe. In 2005 in Moscow were the Internet and could use it to watch the outcome of auctions. A single exposure that followed him was running a massive revision. Why was not done - is anyone's guess.

http://www.informacia.ru/2005/news2140.htm
http://www.vremya.ru/2005/230/51/141001.html
http://www.polit.ru/culture/2006/02/02/antique.html
http://www.rg.ru/2005/11/02/antikvar.html

artemirra · 24-07-2008, 15:42

Meister,
so the point is that the prosecution is trying to prove that the Transfiguration was originally knew that it falshaki, bought at auctions of western Germans, the Danes (anyone there yet), inspired perelitsovku and then reaffirmed in the Grabar zavedovo these fake paintings. ..
That is, it is important here is deliberate.
Experts generally not involved, I think, in this criminal trial)))
here in detail tells the story from the beginning:
http://text.uuu.ru/antik/news/2005/11/28/
and then chronicle the events of expert on this background:
http://dradams.livejournal.com/61764.html
and sample images, I think, still nowhere to be hanged:
http://koukhto.livejournal.com/544552.html

Евгений · 24-07-2008, 15:53

Vladimir, there are more questions than answers ..

Vladimir · 24-07-2008, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene

Vladimir, there are more questions than answers ..

And what is your opinion, Eugene? What collectors think about this?

Meister · 24-07-2008, 16:26

well as experts not involved? Here artkonsalting able to identify this "specious" made counterfeiting, and experts Grabar not? life will not believe. though more questions than answers.

Meister · 24-07-2008, 16:59

but nowhere do they not been dismissed, not only in this case.

Vladimir · 25-07-2008, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene

Greed, the main problem ... such pseudo-gallerists

That is, gallery owners probably know that things are not real? And what then thought, what counted?

fross · 25-07-2008, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meister

and they do not dismissed out of nowhere, not only in this case.

I can not find this story, (maybe someone from the forum will help?) But I read an interview with the former head of the laboratory which issued a positive opinion. So he made two reasons: first - poor knowledge of our experts from Western European art of the period of work from which the facelift in Shishkin and the second - pressure (say, if he does not give an opinion - that will give its employees). And on the principle of a blessing in disguise - it is precisely the period studied, however, after the dismissal.

24-07-2008, 14:56	Original language: Russian #1
Vladimir Гуру Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 8,085 Thanks: 3,353 Thanked 25,448 Times in 5,540 Posts Reputation: 23529	"It's antique" finishes? Heavy laced story ... Unpleasant, heavy laced story of Antiquaries Preobrazhensky, false Kiselev, deceived customers, kidalove real estate in the area Prechistenka ends - August 6, the verdict will be. Kucha publications looked on this topic, but clearly is not. One time was even rumored that the case began to turn when one of the fake "Kiselev" got almost a collection of almost Putin ... What is certainly nonsense, but nafantazirovat possible. Then there were the "denial" that Putin's more interested in the book But certainly in the whole history is a very simple explanation. What actually happened? Who understands? What opinion? http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=915354 Antiques asked not to disclose the verdict //The owners of the gallery "Russian Collection" said the last word The newspaper Kommersant »№ 128 (3945) of 24.07.2008 State prosecution has asked for the mistress of the Transfiguration (pictured) 11 years in prison, for the lord of the Transfiguration - 10 years Читать дальше... in the Tver court of Moscow with the latest remarks were made by the owners of the gallery Russian Collection wife Tatyana and Igor Preobrazhensky. Antique dealers accused of selling forged paintings, tax evasion and the kidnapping outline brush Konstantin Makovsky. State prosecution has asked for thousands Transfiguration 11 years of the colony, to Mr. Transfiguration - 10 years. The couple insisted on his innocence. The trial of the owners of the gallery "Russian Collection of Tatiana and Igor Preobrazhensky began in January this year (Kommersant reported this January 16). Throughout most of the trial, Mrs. Transfiguration was in jail, and her husband - under travel restrictions. Recently, however, the court sanctioned the arrest of Igor Transfiguration - state prosecution has submitted a printout of his telephone conversations, from which, according to law enforcement agencies, it followed that the defendant is trying to exert pressure on witnesses in the case. Recall that a couple of Transfiguration accused of fraud in large-scale, committed by a group of people - namely, to sell five forged paintings by the commercial director of the company Elex Auto "Valery Uzzhinu, failure to pay value added tax for the period 2003-2005 amounting to $ 4, 9 million rubles. and at the same time the kidnapping outline Konstantin Makovsky's "Nude with a tambourine, which consequently valued at $ 30 thousand Spouses of the blame for themselves or the investigation or the court did not recognize. In their version, their prosecution was instigated by the victim Uzzhinym in order to seize their property and valuables. The blame for counterfeiting Tatiana Preobrajenskaya laid on a wanted art dealer Dmitry Kuteinikova. In the debate of the parties prosecutor asked for Tatiana Transfiguration 11 years regime penal colony, for her husband - 10 years of colony. According to the defense, the prosecutor called time shocked at present - no one expected that would be sought such a severe punishment. Protection in response suggested that the accused were acquitted for lack of evidence of their guilt. His final speech, Igor Transfiguration was very brief and merely asked to justify it. Speech is Tatiana Transfiguration, held yesterday, was quite thorough and very emotional. Dear Court - the beginning of the defendant - here, in the center of Moscow, is the massacre of me and my family. Criminal prosecution of the two candidates have organized previously convicted people to grab my belongings and paintings. Turning to the core of the charges, Mrs. Preobrazhenskaya said: "I am an art historian, and could not itself make an examination of paintings. Here in the courtroom, sitting set of lawyers, but they are unlikely to make an examination of the corpse. Because it is not their profile. And to define authenticity of the paintings - not my profile. What do you mean fraud, if there was expert opinion center Grabar? "I wanted to create a public auction in Moscow, and, apparently, someone did not like it." The episode of the sketch Makovsky defendant acknowledged this: "Figure inexpensive, only $ 10 thousand, it also must be taken into account when sentencing." Sometimes excitement Tatiana Transfiguration began to talk about himself in third person. In particular, she stated that "The Transfiguration was not familiar with Kuteinikova ... The only thing you can accuse the Transfiguration, - unintentional injury." Referring to her husband, the defendant broke into tears. "I do not understand what a driver for ten years?" - She cried. In conclusion, Mrs. Preobrajenskaya invited her and her husband's release, and the case is assigned to a civil court. "My request to read out the verdict only in the resolution part" - suddenly she finally asked the judge. He visibly surprised, but replied: "OK." Verdict planned to announce on August 6. Vladislav Trifonov b -

24-07-2008, 15:32	Original language: Russian #3
Vladimir Гуру Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 8,085 Thanks: 3,353 Thanked 25,448 Times in 5,540 Posts Reputation: 23529	It was loud, that's written about him .... Meister, everything was cool confused. Here, if you're interested in the sources (links). About misguided not very expert, I believe. In 2005 in Moscow were the Internet and could use it to watch the outcome of auctions. A single exposure that followed him was running a massive revision. Why was not done - is anyone's guess. http://www.informacia.ru/2005/news2140.htm http://www.vremya.ru/2005/230/51/141001.html http://www.polit.ru/culture/2006/02/02/antique.html http://www.rg.ru/2005/11/02/antikvar.html

24-07-2008, 15:16	Original language: Russian #2
Meister Гуру Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Москва Posts: 2,576 Thanks: 1,512 Thanked 2,998 Times in 1,037 Posts Reputation: 1816	never heard of this case, but was surprised to read. I believe in something then another thing. There is no way, with the expert opinion of the Grabar Center, you can not blame people. And how to prove that they knew that selling fake work? I do not understand about the picture Makovsky? she really tried to steal from somewhere? reason is definitely something else. If now they were really sent to prison, it will be a precedent and then followed by other similar processes? after "unconscious" of market participants who sell fake stuff, not really so little. Or must for this plant experts, which is also wrong. This is just an opinion. Putting sure if you can only succeed in proving that a false assessment was made intentionally? Then it falls under the heading of fraud. Voobshchem, let's see what all will end.

24-07-2008, 15:42	Original language: Russian #4
artemirra Пользователь Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 96 Thanks: 26 Thanked 122 Times in 42 Posts Reputation: 72	Meister, so the point is that the prosecution is trying to prove that the Transfiguration was originally knew that it falshaki, bought at auctions of western Germans, the Danes (anyone there yet), inspired perelitsovku and then reaffirmed in the Grabar zavedovo these fake paintings. .. That is, it is important here is deliberate. Experts generally not involved, I think, in this criminal trial))) here in detail tells the story from the beginning: http://text.uuu.ru/antik/news/2005/11/28/ and then chronicle the events of expert on this background: http://dradams.livejournal.com/61764.html and sample images, I think, still nowhere to be hanged: http://koukhto.livejournal.com/544552.html

24-07-2008, 15:53	Original language: Russian #5
Евгений Гуру Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 14,663 Thanks: 18,865 Thanked 16,460 Times in 4,507 Posts Blog Entries: 254 Reputation: 32447	Vladimir, there are more questions than answers ..

24-07-2008, 16:26	Original language: Russian #7
Meister Гуру Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Москва Posts: 2,576 Thanks: 1,512 Thanked 2,998 Times in 1,037 Posts Reputation: 1816	well as experts not involved? Here artkonsalting able to identify this "specious" made counterfeiting, and experts Grabar not? life will not believe. though more questions than answers.

24-07-2008, 16:59	Original language: Russian #8
Meister Гуру Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Москва Posts: 2,576 Thanks: 1,512 Thanked 2,998 Times in 1,037 Posts Reputation: 1816	but nowhere do they not been dismissed, not only in this case.