Archpriest Chaplin suggested to check the novels of Nabokov and Marquez on pedophilia

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Сообщение от Santa

Even though the church and separated us from the state, but the level of corruption in the ROC is in the Level of corruption in the country.
This is , perhaps, disturbing.

You may be aware of the level of corruption in the ROC ... State something you feel every time I go to pay the rent > .. But we have a good father , the "Bentley" no dome rolls .. so, yes, restored , and gold.

[Santa]

Сообщение от Peter; 1789733"

You may be aware of the level of corruption in the ROC ...

Maybe ..
That would definitely spoil your mood for the night , this aspect of the topic suggest not to " pick ".

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And here we have a good father , the "Bentley" rolls do not ..

What to see and chat with the good father , I prefer to go for 250 km as from Moscow.
There ( at such a distance ), I found the real father >

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By the way, Gabriel Garcia Marquez I have not mastered,

Reread "Lolita" - did not file a drop.

Shorter realized that my place in the grave,

After reading the interview on.
Vsevolod Chaplin.
 
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On this occasion, EX - Glavred magazine " Russian Life " wrote

Open letter to the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Kirill.

Your Holiness!

Clean , please back in box Chairman of the Synodal Department of the Moscow Patriarchate for Church and Society Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin.
This gentleman in his post continues the tradition is not so much of his great namesake (although the profession they have, undoubtedly , the total ) as Vladimir Zhirinovsky , the so-called father of John and the late Roman Okhlobystin Trachtenberg .
We all love a good joke, but mocking and samopiar this person creates an entirely false impression of the Russian Orthodox Church, which is the Body of Christ, and not a humorous talk show "Happy Fr ."
"We will make you laugh " - was written in his time at one of the posters Petrosian. Presumably you did not pursue this goal by assigning a position of responsibility - Chaplin.
However , this goal is achieved.

Sincerely,
Dmitry Olshansky .

[Konstantin]

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, "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov and "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, you should seriously consider the presence of They promote pedophilia, said in an interview, "Russian news service," Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin.

Was there a boy?

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 1789713"

He wants to seriously study the presence of books in Nabokov, and García Márquez promote pedophilia.
You are a subject that read?

You just gave a rebuff to the theme "I'm 76 years old and I'm tired"
Now step on the same rake.
Question - what is actually said Vsevolod Chaplin?
It reads:

You've probably heard the news that the Russian Orthodox Church has accused the classics - Gabriel Garcia Marquez and Vladimir Nabokov - in promoting pedophilia? I have a few days reading this message in different languages ​​and do not cease to admire. Here Forbs talks about attacks on the literature: «Russian Orthodox Church slams two acclaimed authors». But Culture Minister defends writers: "Alexander Avdeev does not see the works of" Lolita "and" One Hundred Years of Solitude "promoting pedophilia, but did not blame the Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin calls for surrender the books, while agreeing with the idea of ​​a representative of the Russian Orthodox churches that need tough fight against pedophilia. " Scandal!

But let me tell you all the same as it was ...

September 27, 2011 I had the radio station, "Russian news service" took a serious conversation with the chairman of the Synodal Department for Cooperation of Church and Society of the Moscow Patriarchate Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin. Arguing about one of his recent statements that the pedophiles, they say, raise your head and go into the open medianastuplenie.

ROC drew attention to two articles, which roam the web: the first - the manifesto "boylaverov", the second - an article from the magazine "Sexology and sexual pathology" of pedophilia, head of the department of forensic medicine and law Northern State Medical University, Gennady Derjaguin. Father Vsevolod regarded these publications as a promotion of pedophilia brought down on them and the power of his indignation.

The essence of our disagreement with the archpriest was that the manifesto "boylaverov" was published in 1997, and an article in a scientific journal to refer to the propaganda, I would never become. Why ROC noticed just now and it is in these works, and I'm trying to figure out.

At the end of our conversation, to demonstrate the degree of absurdity, which is reachable, I was asked. I will give him verbatim: «Nabokov -" Lolita "Marquez in the book" One Hundred Years of Solitude "also found similar stories ... This is propaganda of pedophilia? ». A Vsevolod Chaplin:" Let's explore this. I think it's also a matter for serious study. " Everything! So in the media and a legend was born that the ROC is against writers, who are called among the greatest in the twentieth century.

to emphasize that Chaplin and not say a word about fiction and did not name any names. But ... He questioned the recognized writers and works. That was enough.

The next day, judging by the news, the country woke up in the Middle Ages. "Shakespeare may prohibit the promotion of pedophilia", "ROC declared war against Marquez and Nabokov" - read the headlines. Mikhail Shvydkoi warned that this story may impact on the image of Russia, Eduard Limonov, was indignant: "What will they do with Nabokov, Marquez? What banned book? These people do not realize that they look like gentlemen, had fallen from the tree of progress. "

Anyone not care that there is said Chaplin, and "whether there was a boy" really is. Everything that was not about the Putin-Medvedev-Kudrin, seemed a breath of fresh air, and Father Vsevolod with the whole Russian Orthodox Church is literally torn to pieces in the press.

The idea of ​​Chaplin's alleged instantly appeared supporters who began to demand: "Prevent this poshlyatinu!". On the other hand fell in the desire to destroy the prosecution world culture: "The inquisitors! Obscurantists! ".

I, being the unwitting instigator of the conflagration, was given only a diva. Yes, and the Father Vsevolod, apparently, this turn of events did not expect. Secular dogma rebelled against the dogmas of the church, atheist turned against the faithful, the Orthodox began to accuse the forces of darkness in the desire to put the war on pedophilia in the mainstream of the struggle with the literature.

It turns out that confront members of Russian society is possible without the conspiracy at all. Conspiracy no spin is not necessary. We are pleased to enter into a clinch and the chest of each other to shake. Give the only reason! Even if this opportunity is 99 percent will consist of fiction.

I confess that after his conversation with Vsevolod Chaplin, I would like to write an article that the church is ready to question everything - even recognized around the world literary works (for which, incidentally, also gives the Nobel Prize). I wanted to write about the chasm that had been laid between secular society and the ROC. But I could not imagine, that could result in our discussion with the archpriest. Excuse me, but here I want to stand up all the forces already in the church. Misrepresented the demons!

But there are stories of this poluanekdoticheskoy very tangible and positive results. So much was said about the last days of Marquez and Nabokov, we are so often referred to "Lolita" and "One Hundred Years of Solitude," which even in very distant from the literature of people had a desire to explore the issues in dispute. For that curse? Why marvel?

And even if the ROC doubt morality of these works, I think, no Vsevolod Chaplin, nor anyone else would not be opposed to the kitchens of discussions about moral character Humbert Humbert and Buendia family, and not participants of a reality show. Amen!
Material prepared by Vladimir Karpov, Alexander Gas

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Now step on the same rake.

Not for what I rake it does not.

Chaplin said?
Said.

But Bill Cosby this did not write.

And the fact that this carved Chaplin - it mirrors gut.

Good and early warning frighten this type are not redundant.

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Was there a boy?

Had been.
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[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1790143"

Chaplin said? Said .

Behind the scenes interviews key question : is this a problem ( pedophilia ) in our society? There . Chaplin, nothing raises the question? No.
Now what?
All clung to its streamlined response " Let's examine this " a provocative question , and even the most distorted .
After the headers were not the answer , " Let's explore ," but as " proposed to examine (read: deny) " well-known novels.
I read both by the way - and not happy with both. And cries , " oh you're my God, holy sights on " attitude without understanding.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

have this problem (pedophilia) in our society?

In my environment - no.

And in your are?

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 1790213"

And in your words, as I understand it?

Thus, to translate talk to each other right?
If you do not know, I will provide you with a chronicle of incidents at random:

We remind the public in winter agitated judge's decision Dzerzhinsky Court, which sentenced Aleksei Sleptsova to six years' imprisonment. He was accused of committing sexual assault against his niece. This solution has already rebelled and State Duma deputies.

02/07/2010 12:54
Vsevolozhsk Leningrad Region police are looking for a rapist - a pedophile abused young schoolgirls. Criminal case.
A source told 47News, July 1 at 15.15 in 96 women contacted the police department 29 years, a resident of the Neva Dubrovki a statement that, at 14.30 in that locality unknown, using physical force against their daughters, born in 2002 (First grader ) and 2000 year of birth (treteklassnitsa) was raped by the latter, then committed violent acts against the second and disappeared.

"On the eve of September 28, it was reported that in St. Petersburg in the Frunze district there were two rapes. In both cases, the injured schoolgirl - girls 12 and 13 years.
The first incident took place September 27 in the middle of broad daylight on a building site, where a group of immigrants working on it dragged a 12-year-old girl. Foreign workers assaulted a minor and raped her.
Police have arrested suspects in this crime.

a 13-year-old girl returning home after school. After her farewell to her friend she was approached by a pedophile and, whispering threats in her ear and pulled behind him, then raped in the stairwell of the house 140 street Bucharest.

The fact of violence, the police said the girl's father - an employee of special services. Operatives have already reported that a person a pedophile is clearly visible on a surveillance camera mounted on one of the houses.

In the Kemerovo region local resident found guilty of sexual assault against a minor child
September 20, 2011, 15:35

Collected by the investigating authorities of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Kemerovo region recognized by the court sufficient evidence to convict previously convicted 35-year-old resident of the city Belovo. He was found guilty of an offense under subsection "b" of Part 4 of Art. 132 of the Criminal Code (sexual assault against a minor).

Investigation and the court found that from 2007 to March 2011 a man coming to visit relatives, made in respect of their young nephews sexual assault. When the children were alone in a room, he went to them and threatened with physical violence, forced to comply with its requirements. During the commission of a crime a man entered the room the father of the victims, who put a stop to the action of a relative. Results are 6 episodes of the crime.
Court sentence a man sentenced to 17 years imprisonment in a penal colony.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Thus the transfer talk to each other right?

In this case - yes: you and I - part of the society of which you and talk.

Not all receive the same information from the media, we also agree that human beings, communicate with acquaintances and friends.

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Konstantin, I really do not know of cases of pedophilia , with one exception : in the 80s on my friend's daughter outraged ( or tried to , the details of such I , of course, did not ask questions ), some type .
It was very controversial , but it glosses over every possible way , because it happened on the landing , where he lived rector pogdashnego Medical Institute (now Samara State Medical University ) academic Krasnov, laureate of State Prize , an honorary citizen of the city and then deputy Gubdumy , who was home at the time , but the door to the noise and cries for help did not open .
Then my friend that the whole family emigiroval to the States.