Experts on cultural values. Can we trust the experts and how?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Also interested in the question on the list of experts in reference The Russian experts on cultural values and I just now called Vladimir Roshchin and asked him some questions.
His answers to me were clear and they are all, in fact, in short, can be seen in the introductory remarks and in the PS From the author:

Reference is made to a survey conducted among the biggest collectors of Russian and Western art, as well as on the basis of analysis of expert opinions on cultural values, issued in recent years.

Handbook issued not to please anyone's interest or personal biases. Selection criteria is only the knowledge and professionalism of the representatives of the Russian expert community. Of course, this edition does not pretend to be an exhaustive study of this issue, it is for informational purposes only and may be changed or supplemented.

Originally Posted by Silent Sapa; 1511891"

a lot of strange lacunae either decorative or else ...

According to PDI, explained the author, he was interested experts only by Faberge.
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Yes, St. Petersburg experts have - Nesterov, Goldovsky of timing and Kostenevich of ET.

[олег назаров]

Originally Posted by "Silent Sapa

Why, so if we talk specifically, LV Gelenek (GRC) is, and IE Lomize (THG) do not

It is so often discussed in the forum (especially when it comes to counterfeits Saryan and Pirosmani) Do not know what else you can add

[Artem]

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky

Also interested in the question on the list of experts to guide the Russian experts on cultural values, and I just now called Vladimir Roshchin (we know) and asked him some questions.
His answers to me were clear and they are all, in fact, in short, can be seen in the introductory remarks and in the PS From the author:

Originally Posted by kr555

Because Roshchin Lomize not consider to be worthy of inclusion in this list. That's from his recent interview, there was already a link to the forum:

Thanks, now the picture became clearer. Turning for advice to you on the forum understand that many people so much and opinions. Many do not like the author of the handbook (read here a lot of comment about the directory fakes). But it is a very strange situation. Here's an example: asked people from the region needed a decent gift. Came to the salon in the CHA are interested in directory fakes, gallery owners do not want to hear about the catalogs and on their authors. Yes, it's just nonsense and absolute rubbish! - To hear the answer, ask about the directory of experts, is absolute nonsense! tell us. Okay forget ... Consider the picture, ask a judge gave the opinion that it is original. demonstrate expertise Ignatova, Goldovsky, Gerashchenko, Nesterova, Goryachev, etc. at the same time assure us that this is the most qualified experts. Sorry, but you are now telling us about the directory, it is absolute nonsense "and the names of experts you have in the directory as a blueprint. It turns out, it does not even nonsense. In response, they heard a very unconvincing answers, it leads to bad thoughts. Well, you do not like the author of AB. but that's not in it, it is primarily of experts from the directory. Where to go, whom to contact?people are scared, fakes, I noticed that some forum users who know the subject of painting, for some reason do not want to express your opinion on this matter . Very interesting to hear opinions from people like Tiutchev, and others can use in painting guru, whose comments I enjoy reading.
  
Many are large enough Messrs. read your forum as a guest, lawyers, the Foreign Ministry, officials of all urovney.i etc, to educate ourselves, so to speak. Your opinion is very important to us!

[qwerty]

Originally Posted by Artem

Where to go, whom to contact?

When the Russian Association of antique and artdilerov exists advisory council, comprising experts, chosen by secret ballot, ie, those people who have all trusted. And indeed, there are gathered decent people. Association website the easiest way to get to by clicking on the logo, located on the first page artinvestment.ru.

[Евгений]

Originally Posted by qwerty

In the Russian Association of antique and artdilerov a council of experts, comprising experts, chosen by secret ballot, ie, those people who have all trusted. And indeed, there are gathered decent people. Association website the easiest way to get to by clicking on the logo, located on the first page artinvestment.ru.

This section contains this information, "List of Experts of the International Confederation of antique and art dealers" http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...1&postcount=30

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Originally Posted by qwerty

In the Russian Association of antique and artdilerov a council of experts, comprising experts, chosen by secret ballot, ie, those people who have all trusted. And indeed, there are gathered decent people. Association website the easiest way to get to by clicking on the logo, located on the first page artinvestment.ru.

This section contains this information, "List of Experts of the International Confederation of antique and art dealers" http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...1&postcount=30

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Originally Posted by qwerty

In the Russian Association of antique and artdilerov a council of experts, comprising experts, chosen by secret ballot, ie, those people who have all trusted. And indeed, there are gathered decent people. Association website the easiest way to get to by clicking on the logo, located on the first page artinvestment.ru.

This section contains this information, "List of Experts of the International Confederation of antique and art dealers" http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...1&postcount=30

[Маруся]

List Roshchina - is only the beginning, it included the most famous names. But besides that, we have:
International Confederation of antique and art dealers (ICAAD), which are certified and issued personal certificates antiquarians and practitioners working in the market and are professionals in the field of art with which they are associated for many years. Their experience is recognized in the market place, and a professional image is the guarantor of their expert opinions. (About her writing Qwerty and Eugene)
and The National Organization of Art Experts (NOEXI), certified professionals for the issue of expert opinions (closely associated with Arkonsalingom). The list can be viewed on the site Arknsaltinga.
+ About 200 professionals certified Rosokhrankultura, for the issue of expert opinions on the exportation of cultural property (list, respectively - on a site Roshrankultury)
Eugene has published a list of certified experts and
Management of the Central Federal District, Moscow
http://rosohrancult.ru/projects/expe...l.php?ID=86817

Therefore the question of where to go, if need be, by and large, is associated with a task that must be solved.

[K-Maler]

Originally Posted by Artem

Where to go, whom to contact? People are scared, fakes, I noticed that some forum users who know the theme of painting, for some reason do not want to comment on the matter.

The point is that we need to give specific examples, naming names or, for example, point of sale, which is also associated with the names. This is a question of ethics, because you can make mistakes. Right to call the point of questionable sales or display of questionable means to spoil relations with many people. The circles are very close. Therefore, collectors should "all by yourself, finding advanced the issue of advisers, which they can (and just know it) trust.

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Originally Posted by Artem

Thanks, now the picture became clearer.

The situation is difficult, the issue of trust experts as relevant as ever. It is precisely because the market went "new players" who are not art collectors in the former sense. They demanded that the "evidence" quickly and without problems. " But this is impossible, the specific question is this. Therefore, the board may look dramatically: first, decide what you are buying art - to invest or to surround his life a certain atmosphere, as did many of the collectors of earlier eras. In the first case, you must buy things proven, second only to that really like you personally. And if you like a bouquet of lilacs by an unknown author, get it, it will be worth the amount you can risk.

[Artem]

Originally Posted by K-Maler

The situation is difficult, the issue of trust experts as relevant as ever. It is precisely because the market went "new players" who are not art collectors in the former sense. They demanded that the "evidence" quickly and without problems. "

If not hard Please, entered the market, "new players" Who is that?.

Thank you

[K-Maler]

Originally Posted by "Artem

If you is not difficult, Please, entered the market," new players "Who is that?.

Hard to explain, because
it is unclear to what positions you ask.
Aspect of your interests.
New players are everywhere, the situation has ceased to be patriarchal ...

[Artem]

Originally Posted by Maroussia

List Roshchina - is just the beginning, it included the most famous names.

  The most clear and comprehensive answer! Short and sweet. Thank you
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I follow the advice of members of the forum, looked at sites, the International Confederation of antique and art dealers, Art Consulting, (roster). This list is virtually identical to the list, the JWP. Experts on cultural values (the first names of artists), but an expert on the PDI, the Faberge.

Originally Posted by K-Maler

It's difficult to explain, because it is unclear to what positions you ask. Aspect of your interests

Aspect of my interests - is to eliminate the possibility of running into an incompetent and simply inadequate to the expert, such as the chief expert of the film by Boris Sobolev, "Art on Tap," Believe me, unfortunately, had a bitter experience. When he spoke to people, you are so lucky - a rare picture of a museum value. And then a picture pops up in the catalog imitations. And it's not about the money problems with money-back no. It is likely that problems arise in situations such as I now peredaril (someone ....), Traded, sold, etc., and I can not afford to take it back for various reasons ... Here is the problem!
 Sometimes me and my colleagues have to face a very difficult situation - a choice of an expert.
  Communication in this format - very interesting and productive. Thank you.