How to unleash the artist

[Peter]

After reading this great essay on contemporary art wants to, not as a reproach to the author, say - "how disgusting is your fish in aspic."

[noart]

Сообщение от LCR

I can not agree with you. If I understood correctly, "Art Forum" You call it art fairs - such as Art-Basel, FIAC, etc.?
So, reality check prices sold at these fairs, the work is virtually impossible (as generally in private transactions).
I have just returned from Maastricht (it's not fair of contemporary art, but in this case it does not matter), well, there advertised pretty crazy prices, but gallery owners kindly warned potential buyers that "everything is discussed. Quite specifically, in response to my question, I was named the price for the work of Nicolas de Stael, and just two minutes later - another price to be about 10%lower (500000 instead of the original 550,000), although I have not even had time to say that the initial price seems me too high

Ultimately, the quotation of the artist is based on auction sales - this is logical, given that gallery owners often acquire work at auction.
Of course, at public auction is not all the pure and transparent - everyone knows that you can put up to auction belongs to you now and buy it yourself in order to raise prices and create a precedent, but I would say everything here determines the liquidity of the market - Ask the artist to which have 3 or 4 auctions precedent, easily undergoes plastic surgery, quotation of the artist, who has a real secondary market with several hundred public sale, to embellish it is very difficult, if not impossible.

You're right, but also to the end of the auction is not an indication of the price of a particular author. There is such a factor as the artist was held hostage by the price - received at auction. (If we talk about our artists - the main sales were Delanoë Arts & Humanities) at the same art forums people do not understand that price and that investigators do not want to pay the price that was formed at an auction.
And if we return to the topic - promotion of a living artist, here are two options. Or cheat him the price and rating, or go with him the correct way and making it more feasible to his promotion, and pricing as well.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Vladimir

According to the auction rezulatam

noart at the auction is not a decree.
He has in the wake of art. forums.

[noart]

Сообщение от Vladimir

This is not so. For auction rezulatam no Pepperstein or Ter-Oganyan, nor Mamyshev nor Osmolovskii in the top ten contemporary art are not included. Other people are there, but in a different order.

I have given names only in the loosely-order and did not attempt to withdraw the rating.

[Yurko]

Dear artists quite Dramatic encounter your attitude towards this subject, but most of us are children of the USSR ... what to do .. as a phenomenon of the artist push the theme of the new Salvador Dali .. how to increase sales of the artist not only on a broken home, but abroad, how to succeed in the modern art .. since representatives of this still exist here ..????? Thank you in advance, I wish all of endless progress and Art luck

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

Yes, what sort of "battle" yet?
Flatter yourself ... "Battles" ... Ha!

Cyril! You again!

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

noart from shareholders not decree.
He has in the wake of Art. forums.

Auctions far nobody decree. How about do it I said ..
In general, our present is a pure Officially, they say that's here too. In fact, the most difficult thing is to be original (for Syzran, no one does not like). During that artists put a life, so it is expensive.

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Сообщение от Yurko

Dear artists quite Dramatic encounter your attitude towards this subject, but most of us are children of the Soviet Union ... what to do .. as a phenomenon of the artist push the theme of the new Salvador Dali .. how to increase sales of the artist not only in the broken home but also outside it, how to succeed in the modern art .. since representatives of this still exist here ..????? Thank you in advance, I wish all of endless progress and Art luck

Luck can only do we have here. It should be an increase in collectors and enthusiasts. This is possible only when a possible sale of purchased works. We need an independent, public auction, which would set and regulate prices. Perhaps this is enough.

[Konstantin]

noart,
How do I know if all swollen and there is no clear order of price and also the price of progress. The true price. not based on auctions

I already told you that these allegations will remove. Concrete examples of names and dates, including such details as - how many people and to what numbers were traded.

We need an independent, public auction, which would set and regulate prices.

Pavel are your spells more and more like the way the store konyuchit child: - Mom buy a toy, mom buy a toy ...

[Buscador]

Сообщение от noart

And if we are talking about ordering this situation here - then they can rely Russian artists? at which institution the costs if they do not have an exclusive with any respectable western galleries? Consequently, sales are going to fluctuate quite a large price range.
We talk about the level and the level involves relations within the law, as in the West

I think that you are a little zapupalis in the representation of the market ... If you are talking about the internal (Russian) market, it is not worth it compared to the West. It must be formed independently, without relying to any sale in the "west". Each market is formed by its own laws. And if you are lucky and you have sold in the United States 2-3 for their work N-tion price, so it does not affect the price of Russian. If you want to sell in Russia and to form the price for their work, the only collaboration with the gallery will allow you to fix the market value of your work. A further increase in prices will depend on the quality of work and skilful management of the gallery ... Otherwise, you might blame on all the time ... "bad dancers. After all, for the formation of the market required all components: the artist, gallery, auction, TV, newspapers ... (healthy co-operation).
P.S. But the high sales of somewhere in the west at the beginning of cooperation "here" is better to talk with humor and just as an interesting information. And remember, dear artists that are shaping the price is not you, and the market, which "make" good faith galereisty ...

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Сообщение от Pavel

It should be an increase in collectors and fans

By demographic effort ...

Сообщение от Pavel

independent, public auction, which would set and regulate prices.

And that, he (this one) will adjust prices at all ... 15000 artists.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Buscador

I think you are a little zapupalis in the representation of the market ... If you are talking about the internal (Russian) market, it is not worth it compared to the West. It must be formed independently, without relying to any sale in the "west". Each market is formed by its own laws. And if you are lucky and you have sold in the United States 2-3 for their work N-tion price, so it does not affect the price of Russian. If you want to sell in Russia and to form the price for their work, the only collaboration with the gallery will allow you to fix the market value of your work. A further increase in prices will depend on the quality of work and skilful management of the gallery ... Otherwise, you might blame on all the time ... "bad dancers. After all, for the formation of the market required all components: the artist, gallery, auction, TV, newspapers ... (healthy co-operation).
P.S. But the high sales of somewhere in the west at the beginning of cooperation "here" is better to talk with humor and just as an interesting information. And remember, dear artists that are shaping the price is not you, and the market, which "make" good faith galereisty ...

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By demographic effort ...

And that, he (this one) will adjust prices at all ... 15000 artists.

This is already happening with the "9 th century in France and around the world now. You see the constant references to Sotheby's and Christie's, not to mention other

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Сообщение от Konstantin

I already told you that these allegations will be clean. Concrete examples of names and dates, including such details as - how many people and to what numbers were traded.


Pavel are your spells more and more like the way the store konyuchit child: - Mom buy a toy, mom buy a toy ...

You yourself refer to auctions are not our .<!--~ 10 "->

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Сообщение от noart

I have given names only, in random order and did not attempt to withdraw the rating.

They, and no rating, because there is no basis.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Pavel

You see the constant references to Sotheby's and Christie

And those others that are not sold at these auctions do not have established prices? Go to any American galleries, where the mass of artists with the price of their work from 8 to 30 thousand, but not sold at auction.