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Old 31-07-2012, 18:01 Original language: Russian        #61
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Topic, on the third go around does not make sense.


At the request of a large open topic, although not very clear why.



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Old 31-07-2012, 20:12 Original language: Russian        #62
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Many thanks to the administrator that he agreed to continue the theme.

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maket you say nothing , that this work some time ago visited the Tretyakov Gallery on the expertise and you have been given a negative opinion .
We did not apply to the Tretyakov Gallery . Perhaps until the work was in the Moscow branch of Sotheby's , someone took out a private consultation. However , in the words of Mikhail Kamensky , one could neither confirm nor deny the authorship of Annenkov in this work.




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Old 31-07-2012, 21:03 Original language: Russian        #63
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with the words of Mikhail Kamensky , one could neither confirm nor deny the authorship of Annenkov in this work .
If he deems it necessary , he himself says that he who spoke.
In the words of my esteemed as an expert with the picture is clear, including the aging of the artificial .

maket, put you in advance on notice about what we do :
You can write in this thread if your post will be new arguments , but imagine that this could be difficult. If your messages will be reduced to the allegations , the topic will be closed permanently , and you will reach the Bann .



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Old 31-07-2012, 21:24 Original language: Russian        #64
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I unfortunately still can not connect to my English friends , with whom , as I recall, we discussed this once - the first - thing. He is resting somewhere . He told me then and provenance , but I forgot . I only know that the picture was first in the Baltics in the early '90s , and from there along with all the Baltic states are already in the EU. She came from Moscow , and also featured some of the relatives of Hesse.
Could it be that the owners agreed to sell the item , subject to making copies of them - that the room was all the same. This sometimes happens . And then many years later the heirs of persistently trying to sell this copy , being piously believe that anything will never budge. Commonplace , in fact , the history ...



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Old 31-07-2012, 22:01 Original language: Russian        #65
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picture appeared first in the Baltics in the early '90s, and from there along with all the Baltic states are already in the EU.

double portrait, which was sold June 21, 2004 in London at Bonhams, was from the collection of the late A.Ya.Polonskogo


Provenance:

A.J.Polonsky, Paris.

Private collection, U.K.
(Acquired from the above in 1988).




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Old 31-07-2012, 22:43 Original language: Russian        #66
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I do not have this directory.
If it is written, then ask the question - this provenance has grown from 99 th to the year 2004?

And this despite the fact that Polonsky had died long before.
In 1991, the year.
By the way, my wife, it seems so long ago was still alive.
Ask her.
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By the way, my wife, it seems so long ago was still alive.
Ask her.

It may prompt a respected guru to contact her?



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Old 01-08-2012, 19:52 Original language: Russian        #68
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There is now a charter signed by Daniel Hesse inside.
Fourth from top left - the signature of Leon Trotsky.
Perhaps, dear forum users will find there, and the signature of other interesting personalities.
I would be grateful.
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There may be white , and about the paper 20s until just talk .
And what kind of " talking about the paper ?" Do not understand , really.
The paper can be found any time to ask if the black intent.

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During 1000 ( dollars or euros - just do not remember )

Fed, as you have had a positive experience such examinations ?



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Old 01-08-2012, 23:10 Original language: Russian        #70
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Paper can be found any time to ask if the black intent.
I asked the owner , whether he has expertise in paper , as its like compared to the analog auction . If he does not have "black intent ," it may be that the paper is elementary , " left " and he will explain all the . And if all goes well - is already implicitly confirming the wordy document. What's good for white and black intent.

I am interested in the examination of water-colors , all that is learned from the expert said , the idea of some possible " pieces " mixed technique , which will isolate and identify the methods of cloud .
I do not know about the 1000. As I understand it , in this watercolor approx. 350 euros.

 Still there is a handwriting expert and art historian . To help in the battle for the " big money " and in the presence of "mixed ", and in its absence.
Moreover, it is possible to move portions.
If he is so sure , writes the path is clear. It is unclear why there are no papers on the , kind of like an expensive item.



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