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Old 30-04-2010, 21:32 Original language: Russian        #1421
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Claims by a collector you may also be a lot.
Thus here! Do not even know - and the claims already have



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That's right! Do not even know - and the claims already have
It does not help.
I tried for you, wrote a detailed text, wasting time. To pull quotes from someone else's text - very easy job. no effort is not wasted, no time. You have the right to speak, but would like to see your opinion thoroughly justified.
And then there is the risk that resolved all issues between the art dealer and artist, you forget to take into account the interests of the buyer-collector. Given the large selection on the art market, in which case the buyer can not argue and did not predyavlyat claim. And just go to another place. Money is always less than the goods on the capitalist market. Remember about the crisis of overproduction Marx?

Personally, I still do - do not find understanding, thank you for the pleasure of reading and going dejectedly on, enjoy new artists in the new gallery.




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"The Collector".
is not a boy, but her husband. (c)



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Money always less than the goods in the capitalist market. Remember about the crisis of overproduction of Marx?
Vladimir, the money previously published, and now do not do - about derivatives, I hope you heard?
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And just go to another place.
This is what? What a pair och.interesno.

Highly skilled artists och.malo - You will understand this eventually. What are the collector mb interests? Buy their work. Which dealer interests - to earn. As these interests dealer and collector, contradict each other? Nothing. They dB grateful to each other, and both - the artist.




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And then there is the risk that resolved all issues between the art dealer and artist, you forget to take into account the interests of the buyer-collector.
Buyers of "clean" collectors, I think, the vast ...... minority. For example, I first saw the (Russian) and then - virtually. Interestingly, in Russia there are many collectors? Dozens? Hundreds? If a person has a score or your favorite pictures, can we consider it collector?
 Learn interesting, but what kind of collector's interests? How often do they intersect with art dealers, or more often looking for work themselves through the galleries and auctions? It seems that the more independently - --- enjoy the process <!--~ a ~-->, unless, of course, galleries of art-dealer network does not equate. That's when it comes to
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, then, probably through dealers.



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and now do not do - about derivatives, hope to hear?
And you know this science? Marta, that's why need competent dealers. I'd rather live in blissful ignorance.



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And you know this science? Marta, that's why need competent dealers. I'd rather live in blissful ignorance.
I am not a financier, and not know all the subtleties in all areas. I just answered his question. If you just, then: good, real money - image with the highest liquidity. Derivatives - it is like money, but purely virtual, unreal, their liquidity imaginary. In certain ek.usloviyah nasozdavat these derivatives (ie money) can be arbitrarily many (in fact, to ODA. Limits). Marx is no longer relevant, shorter. And the scope of production very good. surpassed the material sphere, but in the virtual can be expanded arbitrarily, without over-production.



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artcol, the picture as an asset, kakrtiny as bank collateral, the art market as a traditional stock market and commodities, for some reason we have little investment on the site talking about it, more and more about the "wonderful "....
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... "This applies to all. Such a fish - this is the main product - but dried fish - is derivative. The notion of derivative - should be tied to anything."

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"Derivative, derivative (Derivative) - contract price of which varies with the price of related or base price of the security, future or other physical instrument. The most common derivative instrument - an option."

(Option (option) - a contract whereby the seller gives the buyer the right to purchase certain assets within a certain time at a predetermined price.)
... Generally speaking briefly futures - the obligation to buy (sell) something at a certain time, at an agreed price, and option - this right to buy (sell) ...


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YES? Do not flirt, T Y.! Maybe you about 42 pictures of Kiev and forgotten, but the ability to still sweat heart "shakes" ... This is not "happy ignorance" and "social incompetence" ... If you are unable to themselves, angazhiruyte (if only relative) someone -still would be cheaper!




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artcol, the picture as an asset, kakrtiny as bank collateral, the art market as a traditional stock market and commodities, for some reason we have little investment on the site talking about it, more and more about " beautiful "....
A field untilled ...
Yes, you're right - the analogy is. But you know that there are 2 market shares? One as if highest, and the other lowest? If you go in the theme - will understand why we are not talking about what you write.
http://www.b2forex.ru/capital/classification/

Shl way, traditionally the market action of the second and third tier www. a lot of frauds, to-e are that every elderly and old women vparivayut worthless shares.




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