Painted plate Kornilov's Brothers - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

YanG1987 · 02-04-2015, 19:46

Good day ,dear bought this platter in diameter 15 height 2 cm, beg to Express an opinion on the matter.The plate had two marks ,one unfortunately jammed as it was applied to the edge of the plate which has a touch of the plane ,but traces of the stigma remained in second stamp is in the middle in the form of letters B ,in the decorative legs .On the front side in the red edging is
the inscription and the year 1868.In my visual inspection.,I have formed the opinion .,the background image on the plate was originally drawn ,with the release plates,but in 1868, not a skilled artist wanted to odrestaurowany zarisoval edging plates floral ornament in the form of a red strip ,with inscription and date .,,and made repeated firing ,giving the plate the same ,but notice that the old glaze slightly inflated in the form of micro bubbles .,and the new formed according to Kant ,as there should be.
And it is not clear signature ,like it was originally ,or that the signature of this inept artist restorer .
The inscription contains the Scripture "Mestechko Propoisk under ,and then do not understand the word Lesnoy" ..,generally do not disassemble or signature and last
words ,but what she was to do this without this red Kant ,it is a fact.
About mistechko Propoisk is the wiki description,it is a city Slavgorod even with a Church similar to that of the plate.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1...D0%B8%D1%8F%29
Ask knowledgeable people in the attribution ,it is a pity that the photo distorts reality so please excuse .

Карамель · 02-04-2015, 20:14

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Originally Posted by YanG1987

I formed the opinion .,the background image on the plate was originally drawn ,with the release plates,but in 1868, not a skilled artist wanted to odrestaurowany

YanG1987, sorry mark Bq plant Kornilovs, was staged in the period 1884-1900 ( grade Dulcina No. 606), so this version is illegal. The colors don't mix, song, no...the style of painting does not match the factory, we can assume that the linen factory painted later inept artist and maybe after the painting helmets were not burned.

YanG1987 · 02-04-2015, 20:36

[QUOTE=Карамель;3420211]YanG1987, sorry mark Bq plant Kornilovs, was staged in the period 1884-1900 ( grade Dulcina No. 606), so this version is illegal. The colors don't mix, song, no...the style of painting does not match the factory, we can assume that the linen factory painted later inept artist and maybe after the painting helmets not bigalis@
But I have other information,and it approximately corresponds
this period 1835-1843 ,it's a brand, I think a bit later about 50-55, but it was a different brand but it jammed.

Карамель · 02-04-2015, 20:56

[QUOTE=YanG1987;3420231]But I have other information,and it approximately corresponds
this period 1835-1843 ,it's a brand, I think a bit later about 50-55, but it was a different brand but it saarlos@

YanG1987, no, alas. Brand 1835-1843 pressed into the dough, mark on Your plate green underglaze, 1884-1900 gg

YanG1987 · 02-04-2015, 21:10

Caramel,
Then a plate of bullshit those times ,why then date 1868,and whether you can recognize the signature, and,in General, the history of the confusion without examination can not do ,and I want to ask ,is it possible to remove that red stripe with the words .,,what would have drawn a complete background plates.,or do you think you should not do.

And will add that I noticed on Your photo stamps blue color that corresponds to the period 1861 -64 g,so here's another jammed the mark, too blue ,as it can be explained.

Карамель · 02-04-2015, 21:44

[QUOTE=YanG1987;3420281]Caramel,
Then a plate of bullshit those times ,why then date 1868 g@

YanG1987, I don't know how to comfort You. One would assume that it's an Amateur painting of the early 20th century, then a lot of ladies was painting porcelain in various courses, mugs...and signed "A. Murashev"(?) I'd go into business, but the year 1868 talk about fakes, and the phantasmagoria of the horrible colors on the complete awkwardness of the author...
Shorter

Solovlad firmly told You the truth )))

Quote:

Originally Posted by YanG1987

Caramel,
is it possible to remove that red stripe with the words .,,what would have drawn a complete background plates.,or do you think you should not do.

why would violate the intent of the Creator?

all done with one hand, among the colors..
overview of Marche - please show it, let's see...

Илларион2011 · 02-04-2015, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Карамель

why would violate the intent of the Creator? everything is done with one hand, among the colors..
overview of Marche - please show it, let's see...

It is on the photo I just posted is very hard to see ,photos samawaat.

Solovlad · 02-04-2015, 21:15

Good time.
The subject was discussed at one of the specialized forums.
I believe that this is an Amateur self-satisfaction.
With HC.

Илларион2011 · 02-04-2015, 22:02

[QUOTE=Solovlad;3420291]Good time.
The subject was discussed at one of the specialized forums.
I believe that this is an Amateur self-satisfaction.
With UV@
I read it too ,but there's nothing objective written opinions,but then on another resource fished this platter on sale .,and bought for a ridiculous price.,people just forgot to specify a reserve price .,in short he was upset by what is happening ,but the plate still had to send all the same online auction . the more already gaining your level. But the truth was writing the previous owner that in reality looks more alive .,,and yet I think painting it the original factory ,but everything else I don't like .,,so I think I'll pick me for examination ,chemistry and confirm .,And I think and I'm not too upset if the result is not very good ,the plate still Kornilov's Brothers,expertise will make the ball have friends ,and the fact that I bought it for $ 10.e it

,so here podroznych.
Thank you very much.

Added after 2 minutes
[QUOTE=Илларион2011;3420341]I read it too ,but there's nothing objective written opinions,but then on another resource fished this platter on sale .,and bought for a ridiculous price.,people just forgot to specify a reserve price .,in short he was upset by what is happening ,but the plate still had to send all the same online auction . the more already gaining your level. But the truth was writing the previous owner that in reality looks more alive .,,and yet I think painting it the original factory ,but everything else I don't like .,,so I think I'll pick me for examination ,chemistry and confirm .,And I think and I'm not too upset if the result is not very good ,the plate still Kornilov's Brothers,expertise will make the ball have friends ,and the fact that I bought it for $ 10.e it

,so here podroznych.
All great spasibo@

Wrote profile from my husband ., so don't be shy.

Solovlad · 02-04-2015, 22:08

Old linen, Amateur painting and even worse

Once everyone is happy, let me congratulate with sodevrom.

With HC.

02-04-2015, 19:46	Original language: Russian #1
YanG1987 Новичок Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 13 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Reputation: 4	Painted plate Kornilov's Brothers Good day ,dear bought this platter in diameter 15 height 2 cm, beg to Express an opinion on the matter.The plate had two marks ,one unfortunately jammed as it was applied to the edge of the plate which has a touch of the plane ,but traces of the stigma remained in second stamp is in the middle in the form of letters B ,in the decorative legs .On the front side in the red edging is the inscription and the year 1868.In my visual inspection.,I have formed the opinion .,the background image on the plate was originally drawn ,with the release plates,but in 1868, not a skilled artist wanted to odrestaurowany zarisoval edging plates floral ornament in the form of a red strip ,with inscription and date .,,and made repeated firing ,giving the plate the same ,but notice that the old glaze slightly inflated in the form of micro bubbles .,and the new formed according to Kant ,as there should be. And it is not clear signature ,like it was originally ,or that the signature of this inept artist restorer . The inscription contains the Scripture "Mestechko Propoisk under ,and then do not understand the word Lesnoy" ..,generally do not disassemble or signature and last words ,but what she was to do this without this red Kant ,it is a fact. About mistechko Propoisk is the wiki description,it is a city Slavgorod even with a Church similar to that of the plate. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1...D0%B8%D1%8F%29 Ask knowledgeable people in the attribution ,it is a pity that the photo distorts reality so please excuse .

02-04-2015, 20:36	Original language: Russian #3
YanG1987 Новичок Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 13 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Reputation: 4	[QUOTE=Карамель;3420211]YanG1987, sorry mark Bq plant Kornilovs, was staged in the period 1884-1900 ( grade Dulcina No. 606), so this version is illegal. The colors don't mix, song, no...the style of painting does not match the factory, we can assume that the linen factory painted later inept artist and maybe after the painting helmets not bigalis@ But I have other information,and it approximately corresponds this period 1835-1843 ,it's a brand, I think a bit later about 50-55, but it was a different brand but it jammed. Attached Thumbnails

02-04-2015, 20:56	Original language: Russian #4
Карамель Местный Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 157 Thanks: 392 Thanked 392 Times in 107 Posts Reputation: 782	[QUOTE=YanG1987;3420231]But I have other information,and it approximately corresponds this period 1835-1843 ,it's a brand, I think a bit later about 50-55, but it was a different brand but it saarlos@ YanG1987, no, alas. Brand 1835-1843 pressed into the dough, mark on Your plate green underglaze, 1884-1900 gg Attached Thumbnails

02-04-2015, 22:02	Original language: Russian #9
Илларион2011 Местный Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 166 Thanks: 45 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Reputation: 14	[QUOTE=Solovlad;3420291]Good time. The subject was discussed at one of the specialized forums. I believe that this is an Amateur self-satisfaction. With UV@ I read it too ,but there's nothing objective written opinions,but then on another resource fished this platter on sale .,and bought for a ridiculous price.,people just forgot to specify a reserve price .,in short he was upset by what is happening ,but the plate still had to send all the same online auction . the more already gaining your level. But the truth was writing the previous owner that in reality looks more alive .,,and yet I think painting it the original factory ,but everything else I don't like .,,so I think I'll pick me for examination ,chemistry and confirm .,And I think and I'm not too upset if the result is not very good ,the plate still Kornilov's Brothers,expertise will make the ball have friends ,and the fact that I bought it for $ 10.e it ,so here podroznych. Thank you very much. Added after 2 minutes [QUOTE=Илларион2011;3420341]I read it too ,but there's nothing objective written opinions,but then on another resource fished this platter on sale .,and bought for a ridiculous price.,people just forgot to specify a reserve price .,in short he was upset by what is happening ,but the plate still had to send all the same online auction . the more already gaining your level. But the truth was writing the previous owner that in reality looks more alive .,,and yet I think painting it the original factory ,but everything else I don't like .,,so I think I'll pick me for examination ,chemistry and confirm .,And I think and I'm not too upset if the result is not very good ,the plate still Kornilov's Brothers,expertise will make the ball have friends ,and the fact that I bought it for $ 10.e it ,so here podroznych. All great spasibo@ Wrote profile from my husband ., so don't be shy. Last edited by Илларион2011; 02-04-2015 at 22:05. Reason: Добавлено сообщение

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02-04-2015, 21:10	Original language: Russian #5
YanG1987 Новичок Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 13 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Reputation: 4	Caramel, Then a plate of bullshit those times ,why then date 1868,and whether you can recognize the signature, and,in General, the history of the confusion without examination can not do ,and I want to ask ,is it possible to remove that red stripe with the words .,,what would have drawn a complete background plates.,or do you think you should not do. And will add that I noticed on Your photo stamps blue color that corresponds to the period 1861 -64 g,so here's another jammed the mark, too blue ,as it can be explained.

02-04-2015, 21:15	Original language: Russian #8
Solovlad Старожил Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 671 Thanks: 285 Thanked 468 Times in 305 Posts Reputation: 910	Good time. The subject was discussed at one of the specialized forums. I believe that this is an Amateur self-satisfaction. With HC.

02-04-2015, 22:08	Original language: Russian #10
Solovlad Старожил Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 671 Thanks: 285 Thanked 468 Times in 305 Posts Reputation: 910	Old linen, Amateur painting and even worse Once everyone is happy, let me congratulate with sodevrom. With HC.